Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Matthew Johnson on 7 Aug 2008 23:27 In article <f01a34ba-cdf8-4dc4-b716-9da0a8f5f9f5(a)b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, hhyapster(a)gmail.com says... [snip] >> I know. It's painful to watch him try. I've read his posts for a couple >> years now, and he really has never understood the profound depths of his >> irrationality. >> >> > But I think we are partly to be blame.... That depends who you mean by 'we'. I find it easier to believe it is our lame excuse for a school system that is to blame, since so little effort is taken to teach logical thinking of even the most rudimentary kinds. Instead, incredibly bad habits of 'thought' are allowed to take hold of our pupils at an early age, and then NO serious effort taken to remove them. Sometimes, I fear that this is deliberate, since this makes it easier for politicians and advertisers to fool the masses with their outrageous fallacies. >> > we catch hold of an insane >> > person by the road side and started to explain normal things to him. >> > He would turn around and claim we are insane. >> True enough. He really is a textbook case, which is what is so >> interesting. You don't often get an opportunity to engage people like >> this. I don't expect that what we say will ever get through to him, all >> indications are that he is beyond help. > >Yes, Ben, you last para hits the nail. >If he is brave enough to place any formula with his state of mind, >perhaps he did not realize any mistake in it. It is not 'bravery'. It is a kind of headstrong foolhardiness that -looks- just a little like bravery. Plato explained the difference very well in his dialog titled 'Laches'. >I just admire his courage since no loon has come out to rescue him or >they may be sitting back to allow him to be hammered. But again: it is not 'courage' either. It is headstrong foolhardiness. He has NO good reason to suppose that he even knows what he is talking about, yet he dreams he can correct the greatest physicists of the 20th century. If you can't see that that is foolhardiness, what kind of foolhardiness CAN you see?
From: Matthew Johnson on 7 Aug 2008 23:34 In article <f87947aa-7393-4f4f-ac5f-43466b1c3e88(a)y19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, hhyapster(a)gmail.com says... [snip] >Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of >London . After? You mean it no longer exists? What did you do to it???
From: rbwinn on 7 Aug 2008 23:59 On 7 Aug, 20:20, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>> never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. > >>>>> You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. > >>>>> You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an > >>>>> existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and > >>>>> etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry > >>>>> Potter did. > >>>>> So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character > >>>>> in the tales real? > >>>>> The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, > >>>>> tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - > >>> The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The > >>> Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews > >>> at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they > >>> did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged > >>> Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water > >>> to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, > >>> as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the > >>> tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in > >>> ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian > >>> captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took > >>> place in 701 B.C. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? > >> Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of > >> London . > > > No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being > > dug. > > I'm thinking about writing a story about leprechauns. �Down my way is a > transit center that is going to be built. �I'm going to write a story > about leprechauns helping the construction workers build the transit center. > > Once the transit center is built, do leprechauns exist? > I knew a guy who was an alcoholic. He and his wife used to get drunk and see all kinds of little men. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 8 Aug 2008 00:06 rbwinn wrote: > On 7 Aug, 20:20, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. >>>>>>> You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. >>>>>>> You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an >>>>>>> existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and >>>>>>> etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry >>>>>>> Potter did. >>>>>>> So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character >>>>>>> in the tales real? >>>>>>> The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, >>>>>>> tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The >>>>> Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews >>>>> at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they >>>>> did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged >>>>> Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water >>>>> to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, >>>>> as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the >>>>> tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in >>>>> ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian >>>>> captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took >>>>> place in 701 B.C. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? >>>> Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of >>>> London . >>> No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being >>> dug. >> I'm thinking about writing a story about leprechauns. �Down my way is a >> transit center that is going to be built. �I'm going to write a story >> about leprechauns helping the construction workers build the transit center. >> >> Once the transit center is built, do leprechauns exist? >> > I knew a guy who was an alcoholic. He and his wife used to get drunk > and see all kinds of little men. Did the little men exist? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 8 Aug 2008 00:21
On Aug 8, 12:37 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 18:17, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 11:13 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > No wonder no scientist wish to engage you. > > > > You don't explain well and you don't understand (no capability) > > > > anything at all. > > > > But I admire you guts to bring the formula out in the public to be > > > > humiliated.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, here are the equations, hhyaps. > > > > x'=x-vt > > > y'=y > > > z'=z > > > t'=t > > > > w=velocity of light > > > x=wt > > > x'=wn' > > > > x'=x-vt > > > wn'=wt-vt > > > n'=t(1-v/w) > > > > So just go ahead and show the mistake you have found. As soon > > > as I arrived at these equations, scientists quit talking to me. At > > > one time when I was using the wrong equations, about half of the posts > > > in sci.physics.relativity were directed at me. So since you are a > > > scientist who says these equations are wrong, just go ahead and show > > > what is wrong with them. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > The error is in checking with reality, what it thinks. Physics isn't > > algebra. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Physics isn't algebra? Well, tell us what physics is, Al. > Robert B. Winn Physics is science as it relates to matter, motion and energy. Science isn't maths. It often uses maths. But the maths is in service to the science, not the other way around. You can derive any of a a multitude of different equations that are mathematically correct. But until you test them vs reality, they're just maths. Not science. See String Theory. Al |