Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 21:40 On Aug 7, 9:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 01:39, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2:11 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 9:51 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ? If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. ?So does it exist or not? > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > Yes, several of them exist. ?Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > > > > > What was your point here anyway? > > > > > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > > > > > Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > > > > > you? > > > > > No more and no less than that Jesus character in your favorite science > > > > fiction book. > > > > So you believe that Harry Potter is sort of a Messiah for atheists. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Looking at your this reply, we all know that your mental illness is > > getting worse. > > Can you check into Washington V.A. immediately?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > No, I am in Arizona. > Robert B. Winn Yes, Washington V.A.is better, and the doctor there is familiar with your condition....they also may have trial drug which will probably make you stable and you may wake up the next day with a cleared mind to be an atheist. We need an atheist welder who can be on call for our petty breakdown.
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 22:12 On Aug 7, 9:47 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 02:08, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Aug 7, 11:25 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On 6 Aug, 17:13, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 11:37 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 6, 1:49 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 6, 4:19 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 7:29 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 12:05 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:38 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:52 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 10:54 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 6:16 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:57 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> atheists? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> abortion. You have lied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. While Josef Stalin was dictator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> about five per woman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> child is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> So, you have lied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I did not lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that Al campaigned for abortion. Are you going to provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidence for this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. Ask Al if he is in favor of right to life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does that have to do with whether I've campaigned for legal > > > > > > > > > > > > abortions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I am certainly sorry if I have misjudged you, Al. I think you > > > > > > > > > > > are pro-abortion. > > > > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > > > That is because you are pidgeon-holing people based on misinformation > > > > > > > > > > from your church. > > > > > > > > > > I am neither pro- nor anti- abortion. I think it's something for women > > > > > > > > > > to decide on. It doesn't directly effect me, and I think it > > > > > > > > > > presumptuous for men to have a say. Not an opinion, but a say. > > > > > > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > So you are pro-abortion. > > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > > No. I'm pro letting women make their own minds up. If asked, I would > > > > > > > > warn against it. But I'm not arrogant enough to tell women what to > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > Just because you think the state should control women's bodies does > > > > > > > > not mean that my position that I (and the state) should have no say in > > > > > > > > it, is in any way pro-abortion. > > > > > > > > > So you're pro-death then? > > > > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Pro-life. > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > OK, I'll rephrase that. > > > > > > You're anti-woman. > > > > > > What makes you think I am anti-woman? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > What makes you think I'm pro-abortion? > > > > I have this idea of you in my head, and it said you were anti-woman. > > > > That's all I need to make up my mind aparently. > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > Abortion has been an atheistic agenda for centuries. Atheists claim > > > that abortion is necessary in order to control the population of the > > > earth. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > You have no standing to talk about this subject, period.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Here in the United States we have the right to freedom of speech, > unlike Europe where you live. > Robert B. Winn Yes, freedom to opinions which must be sensible and not nonsense. But what has been posted by you showed that you don't understand the meaning of any message. It may not be fair on you since you are ill and you do not know what you are writing about most of the time. Why don't you check into V.A. now, I can help you with Grayhound ticket from Arizona.
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 22:21 On Aug 8, 12:44 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 12:32 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > So you claim that anyone who questions Einstein's theory is insane? > > > > No, that's not what I claimed, child. > > > > There are many serious scientists who have spent years of their lives > > > working hard to understand and expand the works of Einstein. Questioning > > > is at the heart of the scientific method. Scientists question everything > > > they and their colleagues do, that's how scientific knowledge is built. > > > > And then there are the idiots like you... > > > > With your incoherent gibberish, you scream for attention you have not > > > earned and do not deserve. You have no real understanding of basic > > > undergraduate physics, and yet insist you have made breakthroughs that > > > the greatest minds in science (even Einstein!) have missed. Your > > > "discovery" is always some error in the most elementary theory of > > > physics, because of course, you can't possibly understand anything BUT > > > the most elementary theory of physics. > > > > Instead of respect and admiration for your work, though, you get > > > criticism and corrections. But you refuse to listen, you refuse to admit > > > to any errors no matter how basic. You feel persecuted because you are > > > upsetting "the establishment" who have a vested interest in "the status > > > quo". And you never try to learn from your mistakes because you are > > > unwilling or unable to admit that you have made any. > > > > And that is exactly what separates you from real scientists. > > > > So, is that insane? Let's see... > > > > Delusions of grandeur? Check. Refusal to confront reality? Check. > > > Incoherent or irrational thought patterns? Check. Inability to perceive > > > one's own self image? Check. > > > > Yup, that is insane. > > > Hey, Ben. > > You make a great mistake here by claiming what separates rbwinn from real > > scientist. He is just a welder and you put him into a status of scientist? > > Well, no, I would never put him in that category. There's no question > that he is no scientist. I did refer to him as an idiot, which IS a > category he belongs to. (Perhaps it's unfair to categorize a mentally > ill person that way, but then again, he could be mentally ill AND an > idiot...) > > The "This American Life" episode I mentioned had someone very similar to > Winn, a guy with a high school education, an electrician who believed he > could prove that "E = mc squared" was false. He quit his job and spent a > year polishing his "proof", and then was laughed at by every scientist > who looked at it, having made breathtakingly simple mistakes such as not > having the units in his equations agree (a mistake Bobby also makes). > > > With his high school standard, he can't even explain things clearly, let > > alone understand physic formula. He copied the formula from somewhere and > > posted it without explaining the basics and expecting others to follow. > > I know. It's painful to watch him try. I've read his posts for a couple > years now, and he really has never understood the profound depths of his > irrationality. > > > But I think we are partly to be blame....we catch hold of an insane > > person by the road side and started to explain normal things to him. > > He would turn around and claim we are insane. > > True enough. He really is a textbook case, which is what is so > interesting. You don't often get an opportunity to engage people like > this. I don't expect that what we say will ever get through to him, all > indications are that he is beyond help. Yes, Ben, you last para hits the nail. If he is brave enough to place any formula with his state of mind, perhaps he did not realize any mistake in it. I just admire his courage since no loon has come out to rescue him or they may be sitting back to allow him to be hammered.
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 22:50 On Aug 8, 5:58 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 06:21, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On 7 Aug, 01:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >> On Aug 6, 9:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >>> On Aug 6, 1:50 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > >>>> On Aug 6, 4:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Aug 5, 7:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Aug 5, 6:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caught. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Riobert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as > > >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern > > >>>>>>>>>>>> time crime or cases? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I > > >>>>>>>>>>>> thought.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that > > >>>>>>>>>>> precedent in American jurisprudence. > > >>>>>>>>>> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is > > >>>>>>>>>> nil at this point. > > >>>>>>>>> Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only > > >>>>>>>>> atheism is allowed in courtrooms. > > >>>>>>>> You mean, they'll only allow secular evidence? > > >>>>>>>>> That does not mean that the Bible > > >>>>>>>>> is not evidence. No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to > > >>>>>>>>> make the Bible disappear. That is why it is evidence. > > >>>>>>>> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear. > > >>>>>>>> It also isn't evidence, no matter hard you try to make it evidence. > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> So you are saying that the Bible is like Hezekiah's tunnel, it does > > >>>>>>> not exist. > > >>>>>> Um. No. > > >>>>> If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. So does it exist or not? > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>> Yes, several of them exist. Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > >>>> What was your point here anyway? > > >>> If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > > >>> Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > > >>> you? > > >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> How idiotic. > > >> And you think that the bible is going to save you? > > >> Save you from your insanity?- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > The only way anyone is going to be saved is through the Atonement of > > > Christ. That would include any atheists who change their minds about > > > being saved. > > > Sorry, but I don't need to be "saved". I'm going to live my life to the > > fullest and then die. How about you? > > > -- > > I am going to be saved. > Robert B. Winn So, you committed a lot of sins. In modern terms, they are called crimes....care to list them for our understanding.
From: rbwinn on 7 Aug 2008 22:51
On 7 Aug, 18:40, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 7, 9:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 01:39, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 2:11 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 6, 9:51 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ? If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. ?So does it exist or not? > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > Yes, several of them exist. ?Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > > > > > > What was your point here anyway? > > > > > > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > > > > > > Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > > > > > > you? > > > > > > No more and no less than that Jesus character in your favorite science > > > > > fiction book. > > > > > So you believe that Harry Potter is sort of a Messiah for atheists. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Looking at your this reply, we all know that your mental illness is > > > getting worse. > > > Can you check into Washington V.A. immediately?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No, I am in Arizona. > > Robert B. Winn > > Yes, Washington V.A.is better, and the doctor there is familiar with > your condition....they also may have trial drug which will probably > make you stable and you may wake up the next day with a cleared mind > to be an atheist. > We need an atheist welder who can be on call for our petty breakdown.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Washington, D.C., or Washington state? Robert B. Winn |