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From: Raveninghorde on 16 Jan 2010 09:11 On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >No damn way! > >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. The Met Office admit a warming bias http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8462890.stm /quote The Met Office admits its annual global mean forecast predicted temperatures higher than actual temperatures for nine years out of the last 10. /end quote
From: John Larkin on 16 Jan 2010 11:30 On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:11:05 +0000, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" ><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >>No damn way! >> >>It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >>forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >>spells on record with another cold front headed this way. > >The Met Office admit a warming bias > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8462890.stm > >/quote > >The Met Office admits its annual global mean forecast predicted >temperatures higher than actual temperatures for nine years out of the >last 10. > >/end quote The really interesting thing about the AGW mania, from an engineer's perspective, is that it has a decent chance of being the greatest scientific blunder in human history. That would change all sorts of things. John
From: krw on 16 Jan 2010 12:22 On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:30:49 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:11:05 +0000, Raveninghorde ><raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote: > >>On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>No damn way! >>> >>>It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >>>forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >>>spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >> >>The Met Office admit a warming bias >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8462890.stm >> >>/quote >> >>The Met Office admits its annual global mean forecast predicted >>temperatures higher than actual temperatures for nine years out of the >>last 10. >> >>/end quote > >The really interesting thing about the AGW mania, from an engineer's >perspective, is that it has a decent chance of being the greatest >scientific blunder in human history. That would change all sorts of >things. ....and make Hitler and Stalin look like pikers.
From: Raveninghorde on 16 Jan 2010 13:21 On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:30:49 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:11:05 +0000, Raveninghorde ><raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote: > >>On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>No damn way! >>> >>>It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >>>forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >>>spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >> >>The Met Office admit a warming bias >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8462890.stm >> >>/quote >> >>The Met Office admits its annual global mean forecast predicted >>temperatures higher than actual temperatures for nine years out of the >>last 10. >> >>/end quote > >The really interesting thing about the AGW mania, from an engineer's >perspective, is that it has a decent chance of being the greatest >scientific blunder in human history. That would change all sorts of >things. > >John > What is scarry is the attitude that if the models don't agree with the measurements then the measurements are wrong. /quote Professor Chris Folland from the Met Office said a re-analysis of weather science might even show that the actual temperature measurements have under-recorded recent warming - making the Met Office forecast even more accurate than it appears. /end quote
From: Don Klipstein on 16 Jan 2010 21:08
In article <pan.2010.01.16.07.42.40.31000(a)nowhere.com>, Nobody wrote: >On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:58:13 -0800, Charlie E. wrote: > >>>Or, more glibly: the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". >>> >>>The people claiming that isolated weather measurements are evidence for or >>>against climate change (but note: it's only ever the deniers who do this) >>>*know* that the argument is nonsense. It's essentially a "shibboleth", a >>>means by which members of the tribe can identify themselves to each other. >> >> Only deniers? When for years, every hurricane, tornado, or heat spell >> was just another indicator of global warming? Where have you been? > >To clarify: I only see the deniers doing it *here*. >I expect the general public to have a tenuous grasp of the concept of >statistical significance (or of logic generally, for that matter), but >when it's coming from someone with a hard science background, I'm inclined >to assume intent. "*Here*" is sci.electronics.design, where the more-outspoken "regulars" are disproportionately electrical engineers (who mostly tend to be towards the "conservative" side of the political spectrum). Furthermore, several of these "politically outspoken regulars here" are business owners (self-employed means owning a business), already taxed close enough to the extent of "ejaculation tax" and "urination tax". As in taxed almost "coming and going". Those who accumulate wealth barely past upper end of "middle class managing to accumulate wealth" have some worry about taxation of what they got to keep on their way to "The Grave", although I support inheritance taxes if they are mild and exempting what a frugal 80th-85th percentile income-earner can earn and get to keep as of January 2nd or April 16th after "last birthday" or whatever-that-is. With debate for public policy (or lack thereof) to deal with AGW including proposal of yet-more taxes, I hope you can understand that "*here" (sci.electronics.design) has its "regulars" "that speak out in this area" to be skeptical to hostile to existence of AGW, and even more hostile to remediation by means involving new taxes. Please keep in mind that one of the "regulars here" that I sense to frequently produce political postings on rightwing-side is an owner of a small electronics business in San Francisco. I would consider Ebeneezer Scrooge to be a bit on the charitable side for not pulling up stakes and moving out of town there, probably on international scale, even if Scrooge ran a business as Scroogy as anyone on God's Green Earth could profitably run in San Francosco! - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com) |