Gravity is a property of mass - not a property of space !!
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From: BURT on 19 Jul 2010 21:45 Round time gravity is multiple round geometry. There is everything beyond the one body system for time gravity geometry. Mitch Raemsch
From: Y.Porat on 20 Jul 2010 05:32 On Jul 16, 4:37 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 15, 11:45 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > you have to undertsnad that > > completely empty space is **much bigger in volume than > > occupies space !! > > and that empty space includes in it > > NOTHING > > no porperties at all!! > > Sorry, Porat, but this last statement here is observationally wrong. > You seem to want to insist that this MUST be true, by declaration or > definition. > As I told you, we do not get to make those kinds of declarations. ------------------- you made a declaration that 'we do not make that kind of declarations (:-) now tel me genius physicist did you understand at last waht even the psychopath Artful understood that space is empty by definition and if not bydefinition i gave you a 'mathematical ' unequivocal prove that THERE MUST BE CO,PLETLY EMPTY SPACE! OR ELSE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY MOTION IN OUR UNIVERSE !! And indeed it is not written in you parrots books but the new prove is a new prove anyway if space is completlt empty at least inplaces it is not occupied by mass than ?? WHAT MAKES THAT *EMPTY SPACE* (THAT HAS NOTHING IN IT) AS WELL NON OF ANY PHYSICAL TOOLS THAT YOU CAN PROVE TO CURVE THE MOVEMENT OF MASS IN ONE CASE AND NOT CURVE IT IN ANOTHER CASE WHICH ARE EXPERIMENTALLY OBSERVED !!! 2 how can you prove OR DETECT any property of space WHILE THERE IS NO MASS IN IT ??!!! TIA Y.Porat -------------------------------
From: artful on 20 Jul 2010 06:02 On Jul 20, 7:32 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 16, 4:37 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 15, 11:45 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > you have to undertsnad that > > > completely empty space is **much bigger in volume than > > > occupies space !! > > > and that empty space includes in it > > > NOTHING > > > no porperties at all!! > > > Sorry, Porat, but this last statement here is observationally wrong. > > You seem to want to insist that this MUST be true, by declaration or > > definition. > > As I told you, we do not get to make those kinds of declarations. > > ------------------- > you made a declaration that > 'we do not make that kind of declarations (:-) > now tel me genius physicist > > did you understand at last > waht even the psychopath Artful understood > that space is empty by definition Devoid of matter .. not of properties. > and if not bydefinition > i gave you a 'mathematical ' > unequivocal prove that > THERE MUST BE CO,PLETLY EMPTY SPACE! > OR ELSE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY MOTION IN OUR UNIVERSE !! No .. you didn't. As usual you post gibberish, that is shown to be nonsense sand claim it to be a proof. > And indeed it is not written in you parrots books > but the new prove is a new prove There was no proof from you .. just some nonsense > anyway > if space is completlt empty The parts between bits of matter are. But then .. what about fields .. do they exist in empty space? > at least inplaces it is not occupied by > mass > than ?? > WHAT MAKES THAT *EMPTY SPACE* > (THAT HAS NOTHING IN IT) > AS WELL NON OF ANY PHYSICAL TOOLS THAT YOU CAN PROVE > > TO CURVE THE MOVEMENT OF MASS > IN ONE CASE > AND NOT CURVE IT IN ANOTHER CASE Just because space is curved, that does not mean movement must be curved. Eg, imaging a curved pipe, roll a ball down it, the ball can travel in a straight line. Also what we may measure as straight with our tools may not be perfectly straight (eg there would be some small deviation caused by other planets and stars in the universe etc) > WHICH ARE EXPERIMENTALLY OBSERVED !!! What experiment? > 2 > how can you prove OR DETECT any property of space > WHILE THERE IS NO MASS IN IT ??!!! You can detect the properties of space BETWEEN matter
From: mpc755 on 20 Jul 2010 08:26 On Jul 20, 5:32 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 16, 4:37 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 15, 11:45 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > you have to undertsnad that > > > completely empty space is **much bigger in volume than > > > occupies space !! > > > and that empty space includes in it > > > NOTHING > > > no porperties at all!! > > > Sorry, Porat, but this last statement here is observationally wrong. > > You seem to want to insist that this MUST be true, by declaration or > > definition. > > As I told you, we do not get to make those kinds of declarations. > > ------------------- > you made a declaration that > 'we do not make that kind of declarations (:-) > now tel me genius physicist > > did you understand at last > waht even the psychopath Artful understood > that space is empty by definition > and if not bydefinition > i gave you a 'mathematical ' > unequivocal prove that > THERE MUST BE CO,PLETLY EMPTY SPACE! > OR ELSE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY MOTION IN OUR UNIVERSE !! > > And indeed it is not written in you parrots books > but the new prove is a new prove > anyway > if space is completlt empty at least inplaces it is not occupied by > mass > than ?? > WHAT MAKES THAT *EMPTY SPACE* > (THAT HAS NOTHING IN IT) > AS WELL NON OF ANY PHYSICAL TOOLS THAT YOU CAN PROVE > > TO CURVE THE MOVEMENT OF MASS > IN ONE CASE > AND NOT CURVE IT IN ANOTHER CASE > > WHICH ARE EXPERIMENTALLY OBSERVED !!! > 2 > how can you prove OR DETECT any property of space > WHILE THERE IS NO MASS IN IT ??!!! > > TIA > Y.Porat > ------------------------------- If space is a void then what ripples? 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The ripple is a gravity wave. The ripple is displaced dark matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: mpc755 on 20 Jul 2010 08:32
On Jul 20, 8:26 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 20, 5:32 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 16, 4:37 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 15, 11:45 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > you have to undertsnad that > > > > completely empty space is **much bigger in volume than > > > > occupies space !! > > > > and that empty space includes in it > > > > NOTHING > > > > no porperties at all!! > > > > Sorry, Porat, but this last statement here is observationally wrong. > > > You seem to want to insist that this MUST be true, by declaration or > > > definition. > > > As I told you, we do not get to make those kinds of declarations. > > > ------------------- > > you made a declaration that > > 'we do not make that kind of declarations (:-) > > now tel me genius physicist > > > did you understand at last > > waht even the psychopath Artful understood > > that space is empty by definition > > and if not bydefinition > > i gave you a 'mathematical ' > > unequivocal prove that > > THERE MUST BE CO,PLETLY EMPTY SPACE! > > OR ELSE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY MOTION IN OUR UNIVERSE !! > > > And indeed it is not written in you parrots books > > but the new prove is a new prove > > anyway > > if space is completlt empty at least inplaces it is not occupied by > > mass > > than ?? > > WHAT MAKES THAT *EMPTY SPACE* > > (THAT HAS NOTHING IN IT) > > AS WELL NON OF ANY PHYSICAL TOOLS THAT YOU CAN PROVE > > > TO CURVE THE MOVEMENT OF MASS > > IN ONE CASE > > AND NOT CURVE IT IN ANOTHER CASE > > > WHICH ARE EXPERIMENTALLY OBSERVED !!! > > 2 > > how can you prove OR DETECT any property of space > > WHILE THERE IS NO MASS IN IT ??!!! > > > TIA > > Y.Porat > > ------------------------------- > > If space is a void then what ripples? > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > The ripple is a gravity wave. > The ripple is displaced dark matter. > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter. > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. If space is a void then what ripples and where does the ripple end? 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The ripple requires a medium. The medium requires material. The material requires mass. The ripples does not end. Three dimensional space has mass. |