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From: mpc755 on 19 Jul 2010 09:45 On Jul 19, 5:34 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 6:35 a MPC > > > agree. The aetherists think there is a 'material' other than matter > > that fills space, but this doesn't stop matter from moving around. In > > either case (aether or no aether) there is no matter there. So yes, > > matter can move. > > > That does NOT mean that empty space doesn't have any properties at all > > (it has volume, for a start) > > -------------- > i amnot sure you went to the depth of my assertion that > the fact that there is movement > is a prove that > > THAT THERE IS AND MUST BE A 100 PERCENT EMPTY SPACE !!! > IT IS REALLY NOT WRITTEN UN ANY EXISTING TEXT BOOK > it is a brand new insight 1 > even if very simple but > not trivial !! > in order to undertsnd it > you must 'zoon' inner and inner > to the structure of matter !! > > you can say for instance that > ok i understand that > a cannon bullet does not care much > if there is air in space or not > becuase it has little effect on it > but now > lets zoon a step inner: > you can say > of k there is aire in space > but its movement is not affected by say > the EM waves > do does it mean that if there is EM waves > space does not have completely empty parts in it ?? > so letes zoom even inner > > we now that em waves move > now MPC will come and say > it can move because darkmstetr there > or his Aether rgwee is very diluted > and has very stiny mass > but in spight of it s[ace is not empty- > it has dark matetr > ok fine > let s now zoom in even further > one can say > dark matter can move because ??? > becaus of what > if dark matetr was finning co,pletely > all space withno empty space of it > at all?? > how can it move if there is darm matter all around it ?? > will it penetrate to another dark matter ?? > if your neighbor dark matter is pushed > by you > were should it move to ?? > th eneinour of your neighbor > i s srtong and massive and mighty as you youself > why AND HOW ? > should it give up its place ?? > even if it 'would like to give up its palce > no other dark matter all around it > is able enabled to'gine uo its palce !! > > so you see that no matter how deep you zoo into matter > each level of matter density of mas size > has its limits of 'giving up its palce > UNLESS?? > > UNLESS WHAT ???!! > unless a very simple rock solid conclusion !! > can you guess what is that > mathematical like prove ??!! > BTW > i agree with you taht empty space > has volume!! > iow > can host mass!! > yet you say it is a nice beginning?? > > i say > it is a nice ??----- FULL STOP !!! > > (or else there is no motion in our universe )) > 9because if the most primitive satte > ot [hysical entity > has no empty space to move > it wil not let the secondary over primitive > entity to move > ETC ETC ETC !!! > > ATB > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation > ability > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > so > copyright insight and explanation > > Yehiel Porat > July 2010 > -------------------------- > ----------------------- Explain the ripple if space is a void. 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The ripple is a gravity wave. The ripple is displaced dark matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: Y.Porat on 19 Jul 2010 12:36 On Jul 19, 3:35 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 10:34 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 6:35 a MPC > > > > agree. The aetherists think there is a 'material' other than matter > > > that fills space, but this doesn't stop matter from moving around. In > > > either case (aether or no aether) there is no matter there. So yes, > > > matter can move. > > > > That does NOT mean that empty space doesn't have any properties at all > > > (it has volume, for a start) > > > -------------- > > i amnot sure you went to the depth of my assertion that > > the fact that there is movement > > is a prove that > > > THAT THERE IS AND MUST BE A 100 PERCENT EMPTY SPACE !!! > > IT IS REALLY NOT WRITTEN UN ANY EXISTING TEXT BOOK > > it is a brand new insight 1 > > even if very simple but > > not trivial !! > > in order to undertsnd it > > you must 'zoon' inner and inner > > to the structure of matter !! > > > you can say for instance that > > ok i understand that > > a cannon bullet does not care much > > if there is air in space or not > > becuase it has little effect on it > > but now > > lets zoon a step inner: > > you can say > > of k there is aire in space > > but its movement is not affected by say > > the EM waves > > do does it mean that if there is EM waves > > space does not have completely empty parts in it ?? > > so letes zoom even inner > > > we now that em waves move > > now MPC will come and say > > it can move because darkmstetr there > > or his Aether rgwee is very diluted > > and has very stiny mass > > but in spight of it s[ace is not empty- > > it has dark matetr > > ok fine > > let s now zoom in even further > > one can say > > dark matter can move because ??? > > becaus of what > > if dark matetr was finning co,pletely > > all space withno empty space of it > > at all?? > > how can it move if there is darm matter all around it ?? > > will it penetrate to another dark matter ?? > > if your neighbor dark matter is pushed > > by you > > were should it move to ?? > > th eneinour of your neighbor > > i s srtong and massive and mighty as you youself > > why AND HOW ? > > should it give up its place ?? > > even if it 'would like to give up its palce > > no other dark matter all around it > > is able enabled to'gine uo its palce !! > > > so you see that no matter how deep you zoo into matter > > each level of matter density of mas size > > has its limits of 'giving up its palce > > UNLESS?? > > > UNLESS WHAT ???!! > > unless a very simple rock solid conclusion !! > > can you guess what is that > > mathematical like prove ??!! > > BTW > > i agree with you taht empty space > > has volume!! > > iow > > can host mass!! > > yet you say it is a nice beginning?? > > > i say > > it is a nice ??----- FULL STOP !!! > > > (or else there is no motion in our universe )) > > 9because if the most primitive satte > > ot [hysical entity > > has no empty space to move > > it wil not let the secondary over primitive > > entity to move > > ETC ETC ETC !!! > > > ATB > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation > > ability > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > so > > copyright insight and explanation > > > Yehiel Porat > > July 2010 > > -------------------------- > > ----------------------- > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation ability > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > Over the last six months you have implied "no physics without length", > also: "no physics without time". > That followed from you diasagreeing with quantum theory assumptions of > instantaneous emmission and the existence of point particles. > > Next you explicitly say: "no physics without mass". > > That covers all three dimensions of a dimensional analysis: M, L and > T. (By the way, I did not agree with your dimensional analysis > comments as you thought they required specific units.) > > You have also explicitly said about six months ago something like: no > physics without movement. > > Now you are saying: "no physics without empty space" and you claim it > as your original idea. > > So for "physics" you imply that M, L, T, void and movement are > needed? Have I left anything out? ---------------- very simple al what i said is valid --- THE MOMENT YOU ENTER MASS TO SPACE !! hope you got it at last !!! the MAIN novelty for many people is my NO MASS (THE ONLY ONE---- NO REAL PHYSICS !!! the rest is more or less obvious to anyone !! ATB Y.Porat -------------------
From: mpc755 on 19 Jul 2010 16:59 On Jul 19, 12:36 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 3:35 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 10:34 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 19, 6:35 a MPC > > > > > agree. The aetherists think there is a 'material' other than matter > > > > that fills space, but this doesn't stop matter from moving around. In > > > > either case (aether or no aether) there is no matter there. So yes, > > > > matter can move. > > > > > That does NOT mean that empty space doesn't have any properties at all > > > > (it has volume, for a start) > > > > -------------- > > > i amnot sure you went to the depth of my assertion that > > > the fact that there is movement > > > is a prove that > > > > THAT THERE IS AND MUST BE A 100 PERCENT EMPTY SPACE !!! > > > IT IS REALLY NOT WRITTEN UN ANY EXISTING TEXT BOOK > > > it is a brand new insight 1 > > > even if very simple but > > > not trivial !! > > > in order to undertsnd it > > > you must 'zoon' inner and inner > > > to the structure of matter !! > > > > you can say for instance that > > > ok i understand that > > > a cannon bullet does not care much > > > if there is air in space or not > > > becuase it has little effect on it > > > but now > > > lets zoon a step inner: > > > you can say > > > of k there is aire in space > > > but its movement is not affected by say > > > the EM waves > > > do does it mean that if there is EM waves > > > space does not have completely empty parts in it ?? > > > so letes zoom even inner > > > > we now that em waves move > > > now MPC will come and say > > > it can move because darkmstetr there > > > or his Aether rgwee is very diluted > > > and has very stiny mass > > > but in spight of it s[ace is not empty- > > > it has dark matetr > > > ok fine > > > let s now zoom in even further > > > one can say > > > dark matter can move because ??? > > > becaus of what > > > if dark matetr was finning co,pletely > > > all space withno empty space of it > > > at all?? > > > how can it move if there is darm matter all around it ?? > > > will it penetrate to another dark matter ?? > > > if your neighbor dark matter is pushed > > > by you > > > were should it move to ?? > > > th eneinour of your neighbor > > > i s srtong and massive and mighty as you youself > > > why AND HOW ? > > > should it give up its place ?? > > > even if it 'would like to give up its palce > > > no other dark matter all around it > > > is able enabled to'gine uo its palce !! > > > > so you see that no matter how deep you zoo into matter > > > each level of matter density of mas size > > > has its limits of 'giving up its palce > > > UNLESS?? > > > > UNLESS WHAT ???!! > > > unless a very simple rock solid conclusion !! > > > can you guess what is that > > > mathematical like prove ??!! > > > BTW > > > i agree with you taht empty space > > > has volume!! > > > iow > > > can host mass!! > > > yet you say it is a nice beginning?? > > > > i say > > > it is a nice ??----- FULL STOP !!! > > > > (or else there is no motion in our universe )) > > > 9because if the most primitive satte > > > ot [hysical entity > > > has no empty space to move > > > it wil not let the secondary over primitive > > > entity to move > > > ETC ETC ETC !!! > > > > ATB > > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation > > > ability > > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > > so > > > copyright insight and explanation > > > > Yehiel Porat > > > July 2010 > > > -------------------------- > > > ----------------------- > > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation ability > > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > > Over the last six months you have implied "no physics without length", > > also: "no physics without time". > > That followed from you diasagreeing with quantum theory assumptions of > > instantaneous emmission and the existence of point particles. > > > Next you explicitly say: "no physics without mass". > > > That covers all three dimensions of a dimensional analysis: M, L and > > T. (By the way, I did not agree with your dimensional analysis > > comments as you thought they required specific units.) > > > You have also explicitly said about six months ago something like: no > > physics without movement. > > > Now you are saying: "no physics without empty space" and you claim it > > as your original idea. > > > So for "physics" you imply that M, L, T, void and movement are > > needed? Have I left anything out? > > ---------------- > very simple > al what i said is valid --- > > THE MOMENT YOU ENTER MASS > TO SPACE !! > hope you got it at last !!! > > the MAIN novelty for many people is my > > NO MASS (THE ONLY ONE---- > NO REAL PHYSICS !!! > > the rest is more or less obvious to anyone !! > > ATB > Y.Porat > ------------------- Explain the ripple if space is a void. 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The ripple is a gravity wave. The ripple is displaced dark matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: Y.Porat on 19 Jul 2010 19:59 On Jul 19, 6:36 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 3:35 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 10:34 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 19, 6:35 a MPC > > > > > agree. The aetherists think there is a 'material' other than matter > > > > that fills space, but this doesn't stop matter from moving around. In > > > > either case (aether or no aether) there is no matter there. So yes, > > > > matter can move. > > > > > That does NOT mean that empty space doesn't have any properties at all > > > > (it has volume, for a start) > > > > -------------- > > > i amnot sure you went to the depth of my assertion that > > > the fact that there is movement > > > is a prove that > > > > THAT THERE IS AND MUST BE A 100 PERCENT EMPTY SPACE !!! > > > IT IS REALLY NOT WRITTEN UN ANY EXISTING TEXT BOOK > > > it is a brand new insight 1 > > > even if very simple but > > > not trivial !! > > > in order to undertsnd it > > > you must 'zoon' inner and inner > > > to the structure of matter !! > > > > you can say for instance that > > > ok i understand that > > > a cannon bullet does not care much > > > if there is air in space or not > > > becuase it has little effect on it > > > but now > > > lets zoon a step inner: > > > you can say > > > of k there is aire in space > > > but its movement is not affected by say > > > the EM waves > > > do does it mean that if there is EM waves > > > space does not have completely empty parts in it ?? > > > so letes zoom even inner > > > > we now that em waves move > > > now MPC will come and say > > > it can move because darkmstetr there > > > or his Aether rgwee is very diluted > > > and has very stiny mass > > > but in spight of it s[ace is not empty- > > > it has dark matetr > > > ok fine > > > let s now zoom in even further > > > one can say > > > dark matter can move because ??? > > > becaus of what > > > if dark matetr was finning co,pletely > > > all space withno empty space of it > > > at all?? > > > how can it move if there is darm matter all around it ?? > > > will it penetrate to another dark matter ?? > > > if your neighbor dark matter is pushed > > > by you > > > were should it move to ?? > > > th eneinour of your neighbor > > > i s srtong and massive and mighty as you youself > > > why AND HOW ? > > > should it give up its place ?? > > > even if it 'would like to give up its palce > > > no other dark matter all around it > > > is able enabled to'gine uo its palce !! > > > > so you see that no matter how deep you zoo into matter > > > each level of matter density of mas size > > > has its limits of 'giving up its palce > > > UNLESS?? > > > > UNLESS WHAT ???!! > > > unless a very simple rock solid conclusion !! > > > can you guess what is that > > > mathematical like prove ??!! > > > BTW > > > i agree with you taht empty space > > > has volume!! > > > iow > > > can host mass!! > > > yet you say it is a nice beginning?? > > > > i say > > > it is a nice ??----- FULL STOP !!! > > > > (or else there is no motion in our universe )) > > > 9because if the most primitive satte > > > ot [hysical entity > > > has no empty space to move > > > it wil not let the secondary over primitive > > > entity to move > > > ETC ETC ETC !!! > > > > ATB > > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation > > > ability > > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > > so > > > copyright insight and explanation > > > > Yehiel Porat > > > July 2010 > > > -------------------------- > > > ----------------------- > > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation ability > > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > > Over the last six months you have implied "no physics without length", > > also: "no physics without time". > > That followed from you diasagreeing with quantum theory assumptions of > > instantaneous emmission and the existence of point particles. > > > Next you explicitly say: "no physics without mass". > > > That covers all three dimensions of a dimensional analysis: M, L and > > T. (By the way, I did not agree with your dimensional analysis > > comments as you thought they required specific units.) > > > You have also explicitly said about six months ago something like: no > > physics without movement. > > > Now you are saying: "no physics without empty space" and you claim it > > as your original idea. > > > So for "physics" you imply that M, L, T, void and movement are > > needed? Have I left anything out? > > ---------------- > very simple > al what i said is valid --- > > THE MOMENT YOU ENTER MASS > TO SPACE !! > hope you got it at last !!! > > the MAIN novelty for many people is my > > NO MASS (THE ONLY ONE---- > NO REAL PHYSICS !!! > > the rest is more or less obvious to anyone !! > > ATB > Y.Porat > ------------------- and in addition Ben i though t that no need to say or explain that in order of having physics we have to add mass WHILE MASS FILLS ***ONLY A PART OF SPACE** AGAIN MASS MUST FILL *ONLY A PART OF THAT EMPTY SPACE IN ORDER OG MAKING PHYSICS BUT IN THAT CASE THE PROPERTIES THERE- AR NOT OF THAT EMPTY SPACE - BUT THE PROPERTIES OF THE MASS IN IT !!! (empty space has no properties except hosting mass!) yet the physical properties you find there are the propeties mass MASS IN THE EMPTY SPACE AROUND IT IN ORDER TO LET LT MOVE !! empty space around mass is needed to enable the mass move!! can you phrase it more clearly ???-- then welcome --do it better ..... now the important useful punch line is that: EMPTY SPACE HAS NO CURVATURE AND NO SHCMERVATURE!!! the curved movement of mass in space -- - IS A PROPERTY OF MASS NOT OF SPACE !!! TIA Y.Porat --------------------------------
From: mpc755 on 19 Jul 2010 21:39
On Jul 19, 7:59 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 19, 6:36 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 3:35 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 19, 10:34 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 6:35 a MPC > > > > > > agree. The aetherists think there is a 'material' other than matter > > > > > that fills space, but this doesn't stop matter from moving around.. In > > > > > either case (aether or no aether) there is no matter there. So yes, > > > > > matter can move. > > > > > > That does NOT mean that empty space doesn't have any properties at all > > > > > (it has volume, for a start) > > > > > -------------- > > > > i amnot sure you went to the depth of my assertion that > > > > the fact that there is movement > > > > is a prove that > > > > > THAT THERE IS AND MUST BE A 100 PERCENT EMPTY SPACE !!! > > > > IT IS REALLY NOT WRITTEN UN ANY EXISTING TEXT BOOK > > > > it is a brand new insight 1 > > > > even if very simple but > > > > not trivial !! > > > > in order to undertsnd it > > > > you must 'zoon' inner and inner > > > > to the structure of matter !! > > > > > you can say for instance that > > > > ok i understand that > > > > a cannon bullet does not care much > > > > if there is air in space or not > > > > becuase it has little effect on it > > > > but now > > > > lets zoon a step inner: > > > > you can say > > > > of k there is aire in space > > > > but its movement is not affected by say > > > > the EM waves > > > > do does it mean that if there is EM waves > > > > space does not have completely empty parts in it ?? > > > > so letes zoom even inner > > > > > we now that em waves move > > > > now MPC will come and say > > > > it can move because darkmstetr there > > > > or his Aether rgwee is very diluted > > > > and has very stiny mass > > > > but in spight of it s[ace is not empty- > > > > it has dark matetr > > > > ok fine > > > > let s now zoom in even further > > > > one can say > > > > dark matter can move because ??? > > > > becaus of what > > > > if dark matetr was finning co,pletely > > > > all space withno empty space of it > > > > at all?? > > > > how can it move if there is darm matter all around it ?? > > > > will it penetrate to another dark matter ?? > > > > if your neighbor dark matter is pushed > > > > by you > > > > were should it move to ?? > > > > th eneinour of your neighbor > > > > i s srtong and massive and mighty as you youself > > > > why AND HOW ? > > > > should it give up its place ?? > > > > even if it 'would like to give up its palce > > > > no other dark matter all around it > > > > is able enabled to'gine uo its palce !! > > > > > so you see that no matter how deep you zoo into matter > > > > each level of matter density of mas size > > > > has its limits of 'giving up its palce > > > > UNLESS?? > > > > > UNLESS WHAT ???!! > > > > unless a very simple rock solid conclusion !! > > > > can you guess what is that > > > > mathematical like prove ??!! > > > > BTW > > > > i agree with you taht empty space > > > > has volume!! > > > > iow > > > > can host mass!! > > > > yet you say it is a nice beginning?? > > > > > i say > > > > it is a nice ??----- FULL STOP !!! > > > > > (or else there is no motion in our universe )) > > > > 9because if the most primitive satte > > > > ot [hysical entity > > > > has no empty space to move > > > > it wil not let the secondary over primitive > > > > entity to move > > > > ETC ETC ETC !!! > > > > > ATB > > > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation > > > > ability > > > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > > > so > > > > copyright insight and explanation > > > > > Yehiel Porat > > > > July 2010 > > > > -------------------------- > > > > ----------------------- > > > > may be someone could phrase it better than my poor explanation ability > > > > yet as far as i know it is the original !! > > > > Over the last six months you have implied "no physics without length", > > > also: "no physics without time". > > > That followed from you diasagreeing with quantum theory assumptions of > > > instantaneous emmission and the existence of point particles. > > > > Next you explicitly say: "no physics without mass". > > > > That covers all three dimensions of a dimensional analysis: M, L and > > > T. (By the way, I did not agree with your dimensional analysis > > > comments as you thought they required specific units.) > > > > You have also explicitly said about six months ago something like: no > > > physics without movement. > > > > Now you are saying: "no physics without empty space" and you claim it > > > as your original idea. > > > > So for "physics" you imply that M, L, T, void and movement are > > > needed? Have I left anything out? > > > ---------------- > > very simple > > al what i said is valid --- > > > THE MOMENT YOU ENTER MASS > > TO SPACE !! > > hope you got it at last !!! > > > the MAIN novelty for many people is my > > > NO MASS (THE ONLY ONE---- > > NO REAL PHYSICS !!! > > > the rest is more or less obvious to anyone !! > > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > ------------------- > > and in addition Ben > i though t that no need to say or explain > that in order of having physics > we have to add mass > WHILE MASS FILLS > ***ONLY A PART OF SPACE** > AGAIN > MASS MUST FILL *ONLY A PART OF THAT EMPTY SPACE > IN ORDER OG MAKING PHYSICS > > BUT IN THAT CASE > THE PROPERTIES THERE- AR NOT OF THAT EMPTY SPACE - > BUT THE PROPERTIES OF THE MASS IN IT !!! > (empty space has no properties > except hosting mass!) > yet the physical properties you find there > are the propeties mass > MASS IN THE EMPTY SPACE AROUND IT > IN ORDER TO LET LT MOVE !! > empty space around mass > is needed to enable the mass move!! > > can you phrase it more clearly ???-- > then welcome --do it better ..... > > now the important useful punch line is that: > > EMPTY SPACE HAS NO CURVATURE > AND NO SHCMERVATURE!!! > > the curved movement of mass in space -- > > - IS A PROPERTY OF MASS > NOT OF SPACE !!! > > TIA > Y.Porat > -------------------------------- If space is a void then what ripples? 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The ripple is a gravity wave. The ripple is displaced dark matter. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter. Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. |