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From: Su-Z-Q on 29 Dec 2009 08:13 In article <291220090133084132%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > In article <see.signature-F2A243.23254828122009(a)news.qwest.net>, > somnambulist <see.signature(a)uswest.net> wrote: > > > > What is your suggestion for that gnarly problem? > > > > I've been following this thread and will briefly delurk to provide > > another perspective. > > > > I've been practicing neurosurgery for 30 years, and every male member > > of my family has been a doctor since the 1860s, so I have some > > historical perspective. > > > > There is no simple solution, private or public sector, to providing > > healthcare, let alone healthcare to all. > > > > So here's the perspective of one practicing doctor: > > <snipped very interesting perspective> > > Thank you very much for your post. > > Parts of your post are very depressing to me, the part > where you post that medicine is no longer a profession, > but is now an industry. I find that very sad, trying to > use a doctor as a mere hired hand to follow orders, > rather than a respected professional. > > Isn't that what communism is all about? Indeed. I find it demeaning to the entire medical profession when the Big Pharma infomercials end by saying, "Ask your PRESCRIBER..." They might as well be saying, "Ask your legal dope peddler..." from where I sit. -- Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
From: Warren Oates on 29 Dec 2009 09:11 In article <hhcv9i$t2i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Su-Z-Q <reply(a)this.group> wrote: > Indeed. I find it demeaning to the entire medical profession when the Big > Pharma > infomercials end by saying, "Ask your PRESCRIBER..." They might as well be > saying, "Ask your legal dope peddler..." from where I sit. We make fun of that in our house too, "ask your _prescriber_?" we say, "didn't he go to jail?" To be fair, though, a lot of primary care is handled by nurse practitioners, both in the US and Canada, and they _aren't_ doctors and teevee commercial content is pretty much controlled by the lawyers representing the product. Don't try this at home. Do not attempt. We told you. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: AV3 on 29 Dec 2009 10:35 On Dec/28/2009 8:0342 PM, Wes Groleau wrote: > AV3 wrote: >> On Dec/27/2009 11:4206 PM, Wes Groleau wrote: >>> He also promised to do something about "ear-marks" which make up >>> a large percentage of what the House and Senate have passed. >> >> This is not relevant to the merits or demerits of the health care bill. > > It most certainly is relevant. We could have had a hundred page > reform bill passed nearly unanimously months ago, if those claiming > to represent us had agreed to table any point on which consensus > couldn't be reached quickly. Instead, we have thousands of pages > which almost half of both Congress and the country is fighting bitterly. > > In other words, we could have, months ago, had _some_ reform. > Everyone would still say it's inadequate, but everyone (almost) > would agree it's a start, and everyone (almost) would like it. > > And THEN we could argue about the hard parts. > Obama didn't run on offering the lowest common denominator of a health policy, he promised to reverse the increasing deprivation of coverage and to extend coverage as widely as possible. He has the majority for himself and his party in Congress to do it, and they are doing it. If what they do is unsatisfactory to the public, the next elections should tell us about it. A piecemeal, consensus process would change nothing and satisfy only those who want no effective change. -- ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ(a)Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ(a)Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++
From: dorayme on 29 Dec 2009 16:20 In article <291220090923329330%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > Not to worry, I will call back, but this time will > talk to the nursey in charge of plugs. > Mark, please, I beg you, don't tell us any more about your plumbing. -- dorayme
From: Warren Oates on 29 Dec 2009 16:30
In article <291220090923329330%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > Yeah, my secondary insurance company (whoops, I said > those nasty words "insurance company") - - - provides a > free 24hr/365day nurse help line for me to use, those > gals know their business Well, okay. Our communist Ontario health service provides exactly the same thing, with an 800 number. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer |