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From: Mark Conrad on 28 Dec 2009 05:26 In article <hh8kat$c1g$1(a)news.albasani.net>, AV3 <arvimide(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > I hope I don't become so senile that I would become a racist, fascistic > Conservative, campaigning to replace instruction about evolution in the > public schools with instruction about Scientific Creationism in the > manner of a true-blue Conservative like you. You will, I used to be a lib in my younger days. I was weaned on FDR, the greatest lib of all time. Now if you need God, or the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy, or a nanny-state government, all that is fine with me, whatever pulls your trigger. We all have our weird beliefs for the unexplainable things in life. Only thing that bugs me is when others use violence to impose their beliefs on others, as the Muslims do. Muslims deny it of course, unless you really pin down their religious leaders, as a reporter did in a post I referenced in this thread earlier. As regards evolution vs creationism, that has been raging for a long time. Both sides can "prove" their point. What I find intriguing, is that when some guy eventually "creates" a human from scratch, and that will surely happen, will we decide to worship that guy as God? The top-dog religious sect seems to be the violent Muslims, there are a heck of a lot more of them than there are Christians. Mark-
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 28 Dec 2009 05:53 Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > Tell me something else, Mark -- you never really commented on it when I > mentioned it before -- why is that public safety (police, fire), and even > public health (sanitation, food-and-drug safety), are activities that our > state and federal governments can legitimately be involved with, without > running the risk of plummeting our society into that Marxist Abyss, but > health care is not? What allows public safety and public health to be > considered "essential services" in a Capitalist Democracy, but not health > care? Are there certain defining characteristics that apply and metrics we > can use, or is it simply a matter of visceral wisdom, born of dogma and > stoked by the likes of Limbaugh and Beck? I'm keen on an answer to this too. Certain services are simply better run by government rather than as a for-profit company. I only have to look at our (New Zealand's) railway fiasco. In short: we sold our national railway, the company that bought it ran it into the ground, and we ended up bloody well buying it back just to save it. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 28 Dec 2009 05:57 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > As regards evolution vs creationism, that has been > raging for a long time. Both sides can "prove" > their point. No, the creationists can't actually. Not unless you define proof as 'believing really, really, really hard in something'. Sadly wishing doesn't make it so. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Kurt Ullman on 28 Dec 2009 07:07 In article <C75D8EA8.4EDCD%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > In article 1pmdnR6B6uQKQ6nWnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com, Kurt Ullman at > kurtullman(a)yahoo.com wrote on 12/25/09 10:47 AM: > > ... > ... > > If > > you look at the polls, in the US, the number of people happy with THEIR > > insurance runs about 80%. However much less about the system in general. > > Sorta interesting that these numbers are pretty much in line with > > polling that shows little support for Congress, but much higher support > > for their personal CongressCritter. I am trying to figure out the > > importance of that congruence (g). > > Important point not often mentioned: Those who like their health plans the > most are those who _use_ them the least. Probably like the polls for the CC. Although I don't remember seeing that distinction in the polls. I shall have to go back and look -- To find that place where the rats don't race and the phones don't ring at all. If once, you've slept on an island. Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
From: Kurt Ullman on 28 Dec 2009 07:12
In article > > > > > > Faulty logic from you. The insurance companies do not "juggle tax > > > money", they take money directly out of wages and salaries, on a system > > > that is not based on the insureds' income. That is 180 degrees out of > > > phase with the tax system. > > > > If you look at it the proper way, they do mess with tax money since > > the employer contribution is tax deductible. FWIW, it the single biggest > > tax deduction. > > Not to the individual, because it is not income based. Even more reason > why our taxes should not be handed to insurance companies to make money > from, especially when they will cut high risk taxpayers out of insurance. Of course it is. It is part of your salary, just deducted from it and then the deduction given to your employer. > > That is largely because every state is different and you have to be > > licensed to operate in that state. Only a couple companies can afford to > > mess with the overhead of having to deal with 50 different states, with > > 50 different policy requirements, etc. > > So the insurance companies divvy up the states between them so that only > a couple operate in each one. That way they can all gouge the public. If > we made health insurance federally regulated, instead of state > regulated, the consumer could then truly shop for the best deal > nationwide. That would acre the companies to death. Yeah right. Of course the costs associated with trying to operate in all 50 states, especially since many actually require the company to be domiciled there (thus giving you BC/BS of Indiana, BC/BS of Arizona, etc.) The companies did not seem to be arguing against Fed regulation, they would probably love it taking out all of the different requirements. -- To find that place where the rats don't race and the phones don't ring at all. If once, you've slept on an island. Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island" |