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From: Kurt Ullman on 27 Dec 2009 11:10 In article <wclark2-534414.09473627122009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: g to see how > > the US comes out. > > Ah, the standard wingnut dogma to try to get out of the life expectancy > trap. Sorry, it doesn't wash. The data are from the UN and WHO and are > filtered for difference in reporting practice, so you can save your > lottery money, because the study has/is already been done. I've read the reports and they don't look at such things. Unless you are seeing ones I haven't seen. A very high possibility since they do come out with so much stuff. Give me a couple places to look. -- To find that place where the rats don't race and the phones don't ring at all. If once, you've slept on an island. Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
From: Kurt Ullman on 27 Dec 2009 11:12 In article <wclark2-C7DDF6.09503127122009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > The lunacy in the current US system is the notion that health care > should be provided by private insurance companies (whose business is > based on eliminating high risk clients), and linked to employment. There > is simply no logic in that any more. Yeah the government has done so well with MCare where the trustees note it will go bankrupt in a couple of years, people have to spend large amounts of money for "gap" coverage, and pays so little that fewer and fewer docs are accepting new MCare patients. Heck, yes, I am sold! -- To find that place where the rats don't race and the phones don't ring at all. If once, you've slept on an island. Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
From: William Clark on 27 Dec 2009 14:20 In article <28Kdnd_N68_PGqrWnZ2dnUVZ_r5i4p2d(a)earthlink.com>, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article > <wclark2-C7DDF6.09503127122009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, > William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > The lunacy in the current US system is the notion that health care > > should be provided by private insurance companies (whose business is > > based on eliminating high risk clients), and linked to employment. There > > is simply no logic in that any more. > > Yeah the government has done so well with MCare where the trustees > note it will go bankrupt in a couple of years, people have to spend > large amounts of money for "gap" coverage, and pays so little that fewer > and fewer docs are accepting new MCare patients. Heck, yes, I am sold! If you let private insurance companies cherry pick the low-cost parts of health care, you will leave the taxpayer with just the expensive residue. Again, what is the link between employment and health care? It makes no sense.
From: William Clark on 27 Dec 2009 14:29 In article <28KdndzN689-G6rWnZ2dnUVZ_r5i4p2d(a)earthlink.com>, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article > <wclark2-534414.09473627122009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, > William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > g to see how > > > the US comes out. > > > > Ah, the standard wingnut dogma to try to get out of the life expectancy > > trap. Sorry, it doesn't wash. The data are from the UN and WHO and are > > filtered for difference in reporting practice, so you can save your > > lottery money, because the study has/is already been done. > > I've read the reports and they don't look at such things. Unless you > are seeing ones I haven't seen. A very high possibility since they do > come out with so much stuff. Give me a couple places to look. I obviously am. UN and WHO reports, to be precise, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081 200113_pf.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/210 2rank.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by _the_United_Nations_.282005-2010.29 You can spin these any way you want, but for the US to rank at #34/50 is simply a disgrace.
From: Mark Conrad on 27 Dec 2009 14:48
In article <wclark2-C7DDF6.09503127122009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > The lunacy in the current US system is the notion > that health care should be provided by private > insurance companies (whose business is based on > eliminating high risk clients), and linked to > employment. There is simply no logic > in that any more. Faulty logic on your above statement. Insurance companies do not provide health care, the money comes from taxes. All the insurance company does is to juggle all that tax money before it is dispensed to the health industry, plus keep a very small portion of that tax money for themselves, as a fee. If they keep _too_ _much_ money for themselves, a competitive insurance company will run them out of business. That is, ....unless some ObamaCare politicians decide to eliminate _all_ health insurance companies. If that happens, there is nothing to prevent the ObamaCare zealots from grabbing as much tax money as they want to grab. Unlike you, I do not trust any nanny-state politicians to do the Right Thing. Mark- |