From: krw on
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:26:58 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>
>Jim Yanik wrote:
>
>
>> I prefer Archie Bunker's solution;
>> hand out handguns to everyone aboard;when the bad guys stand up and
>> attack,everyone else draws and shoots them full of holes.
>
>1. How would this help against a bomb?

When idiot was fumbling with his panties, escort him to his virgins.

>2. With gun conveniently provided, bad guy could just make several shots
>into engines or flight controls.

You make it should so simple. You must watch a lot of TeeVee.

>> (actually,to allow those ODCs -with concealed carry permits- to carry
>> aboard AC;
>
>Concealed carry permits issued by whom and recognized where?

Certainly not in weenie Right-Pondia. In this case a tire-iron would
have been enough.

>> they already know the laws concerning shooting,have shown some
>> level of competency with a gun,and have amassed an exemplary record of
>> safety and lawfulness.They have shown themselves to NOT be any problem.)
>
>Looks more like poor idiot Abdul tried to detonate something like laptop
>lithium ion battery by injecting water into it.

Huh? He had PETN in his panties.
From: Jim Thompson on
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:04:59 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:26:58 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
><nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I prefer Archie Bunker's solution;
>>> hand out handguns to everyone aboard;when the bad guys stand up and
>>> attack,everyone else draws and shoots them full of holes.
>>
>>1. How would this help against a bomb?
>
>When idiot was fumbling with his panties, escort him to his virgins.
>
>>2. With gun conveniently provided, bad guy could just make several shots
>>into engines or flight controls.
>
>You make it should so simple. You must watch a lot of TeeVee.
>
>>> (actually,to allow those ODCs -with concealed carry permits- to carry
>>> aboard AC;
>>
>>Concealed carry permits issued by whom and recognized where?
>
>Certainly not in weenie Right-Pondia. In this case a tire-iron would
>have been enough.
>
>>> they already know the laws concerning shooting,have shown some
>>> level of competency with a gun,and have amassed an exemplary record of
>>> safety and lawfulness.They have shown themselves to NOT be any problem.)
>>
>>Looks more like poor idiot Abdul tried to detonate something like laptop
>>lithium ion battery by injecting water into it.
>
>Huh? He had PETN in his panties.

Urban legend has it that "poor" Abdul burned his genitals... if that
were true, it would be so fitting ;-)

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From: Jim Yanik on
krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:agqnj5tjo2uh5aom8akotnttpnvpo39p5h(a)4ax.com:

> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:26:58 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
><nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I prefer Archie Bunker's solution;
>>> hand out handguns to everyone aboard;when the bad guys stand up and
>>> attack,everyone else draws and shoots them full of holes.
>>
>>1. How would this help against a bomb?
>
> When idiot was fumbling with his panties, escort him to his virgins.
>
>>2. With gun conveniently provided, bad guy could just make several
>>shots into engines or flight controls.

"Bad guys" aren't allowed guns,it's the law. And "Vlad" must have missed
the part further down in my post about people WITH PERMITS being allowed
onboard with guns.the LAWFUL folk;ODCs.
>
> You make it should so simple. You must watch a lot of TeeVee.
>
>>> (actually,to allow those ODCs -with concealed carry permits- to
>>> carry aboard AC;
>>
>>Concealed carry permits issued by whom and recognized where?
>
> Certainly not in weenie Right-Pondia. In this case a tire-iron would
> have been enough.
>
>>> they already know the laws concerning shooting,have shown some
>>> level of competency with a gun,and have amassed an exemplary record
>>> of safety and lawfulness.They have shown themselves to NOT be any
>>> problem.)
>>
>>Looks more like poor idiot Abdul tried to detonate something like
>>laptop lithium ion battery by injecting water into it.
>
> Huh? He had PETN in his panties.

don't expect "Vlad" to know any actual FACTS.
These folks operate on imagination unsupported by fact or reason.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
From: Raveninghorde on
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:25 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html
>
>So a guy tried to detonate a bomb during the last hour of a flight.
>The TSA morons thus conclude that all terrorists detonate their bombs
>in the last hour, so make it illegal to get out of your seat during
>those 60 minutes. They are clearly assuming that the bombers are
>dumber than they are; I have my doubts.
>
>The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives,
>on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I
>suppose searching people who look like they might be terrorists would
>be "profiling" or "invasion or privacy" or something.
>
>They did give my 90-year old father a full, very rude pull-aside
>screening because he had a one-way ticket out of Louisiana after
>Katrina. I once got super-harassed and triple searched because my
>ticket had a "payment basis" of "A", and nobody knew what "A" meant. I
>think it meant American Express.
>
>(If they search you three times, they seem to be assuming that the
>first two searches were incompetant.)
>
>Idiots. Always fighting the last battle.
>
>John
>

Listening to the TV yesterday some guy said the security at Schiphol
airport in the Netherlands is handled by private contractors.

Being private contractors they employed a lot of immigrant staff to
minimize costs. This implies some muslims.

It is quite believable. Here in the UK there was a fuss when the
government department responsible for illegal immigrants were found
employing illegals for security via the security sub contractor.
From: who where on
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:27:23 +0000, Raveninghorde
<raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:25 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html
>>
>>So a guy tried to detonate a bomb during the last hour of a flight.
>>The TSA morons thus conclude that all terrorists detonate their bombs
>>in the last hour, so make it illegal to get out of your seat during
>>those 60 minutes. They are clearly assuming that the bombers are
>>dumber than they are; I have my doubts.
>>
>>The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives,
>>on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I
>>suppose searching people who look like they might be terrorists would
>>be "profiling" or "invasion or privacy" or something.
>>
>>They did give my 90-year old father a full, very rude pull-aside
>>screening because he had a one-way ticket out of Louisiana after
>>Katrina. I once got super-harassed and triple searched because my
>>ticket had a "payment basis" of "A", and nobody knew what "A" meant. I
>>think it meant American Express.
>>
>>(If they search you three times, they seem to be assuming that the
>>first two searches were incompetant.)
>>
>>Idiots. Always fighting the last battle.
>>
>>John
>>
>
>Listening to the TV yesterday some guy said the security at Schiphol
>airport in the Netherlands is handled by private contractors.
>
>Being private contractors they employed a lot of immigrant staff to
>minimize costs. This implies some muslims.
>
>It is quite believable. Here in the UK there was a fuss when the
>government department responsible for illegal immigrants were found
>employing illegals for security via the security sub contractor.

In this instance Shipol made no difference. He was a transit
passenger, hence no screening per se. And he was travelling with a
valid Nigerian passport and valid US visa. Also it appears he was NOT
on any Netherlands watch list - the USA habit of not sharing among
their own security branches appears to extend to not sharing
internationally.