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From: Jim Yanik on 28 Dec 2009 18:08 PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in news:ih7ij590bn4mvctiagsi6octr83ga53sdo(a)4ax.com: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:05:27 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky ><nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >> >> >>PeterD wrote: >> >>> Consider this, both Ried <sp?> and this latest lunatic failed >>> completely--one would think they'd get the message: "I don't want you >>> blowing up or killing innocent people..." -- God. >> >>That raises another question: if plane bombing is really such big of an >>issue. How many planes were blown? How it compares to hijacks, >>accidents, etc? >> >>VLV > > How can we know? In most cases they well might be unexplained, > especially if over water. But we do know it has happened, at least one > time. > ISTR a plane from (or to) the Phillipines was a "test run" for the bombers. Another one,ISTR a Japanese guy got blown thru the fuselage by a bomb. If the terrorists ever engineer a working bomb,they would do a lot more plane bombings,of course. Probably all on the same day,just like on 9-11. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
From: Don Klipstein on 28 Dec 2009 18:18 In article <hhas7b$o2$1(a)news.albasani.net>, Jan Panteltje wrote: >On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:29:12 -0500) it happened PeterD ><peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in <2kchj5ptl0si10folbr9k0stm04bo9him2(a)4ax.com>: > >>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:53:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje >><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:55:24 -0600) it happened Jim Yanik >>><jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote in <Xns9CEED514B6872jyaniklocalnetcom(a)216.168.3.44>: >>> >>>>I prefer Archie Bunker's solution; >>>>hand out handguns to everyone aboard;when the bad guys stand up and >>>>attack,everyone else draws and shoots them full of holes. >>> >>> >>>I am not sure how well a plane would take some stray bullets... >>>remember the movie 'Goldfinger'? >> >>They do just fine... Don't confuse movies with real life. Many planes >>have been 'shot full of holes' and none have crashed from >>decompression... > >Actually, come to think of it, there have been several fatal crashes due >to decompression. >One big one was IIRC a DC10 that had the cargo door pop out, the >pressure difference broke the floor, ripped the control cables routed in >that floor, and it crashed. Not a problem with smaller holes such as bullet holes or a broken window. Control cables may need floors that deflect all bullets from any gun permitted on board. (Bullets must be no more penetrating than standard issue ones for police service handguns in your choice of major city police department, maybe preferably hollowpoint or fragmenting.) >There also was not so long ago a small private jet, it depressurised, the >crew got unconscious, it kept flying on auto pilot until it ran out of >fuel and crashed. I would think that commercial airline pilots have oxygen masks and know how to use them. The passengers are briefed on those things before takeoff on every flight. >Then a year or 2 ago a Greek plane decompressed and crashed with all >passengers aboard. How? >I am sure there are zillion more cases. Terrorism gets me in a mood to support armed sky marshalls, crew willing to carry guns to be allowed to do so, and to allow passengers with carry permits from any state with both a criminal background check requirement and a shooting proficiency requirement (or who are or were police officers or military members trained in packing heat) to pack heat. - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: Don Klipstein on 28 Dec 2009 18:35 In article <gj7ij51vmnse9ntkse2e33hk5383hfooko(a)4ax.com>, PeterD wrote: >On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:07:16 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> >wrote: > >>PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in >>news:5mchj511rd1qmeoerbjn3rqsig41av2reh(a)4ax.com: >>>> >>> Consider this, both Ried <sp?> and this latest lunatic failed >>> completely--one would think they'd get the message: "I don't want you >>> blowing up or killing innocent people..." -- God. >>> >> >>THEY failed,but the next guy may not. >>They DID succeed in getting their bombs on board,and "detonating" them. >> >>LUCKILY,their bombs didn't work. Just good LUCK. >> >>But searching old ladies and making everyone go thru lengthy lines is >>ridiculous;they need to PROFILE and closely search the most likely >>suspects. > >WHat is worrysome is that there are few if any ways to 'test' for >explosives such as this... > >Personaly I think that we should all be required to fly in the nude, >with NO carryon baggage allowed. That would resolve so many things, >eliminate virtualliy all risks... A simple metal detector for internal >metal would suffice. > >Next we'll be seeing bombs either swallowed or surgically implanted. How about that concrete-walled RF blaster on the way to the plane? Nude bomb-carrier gets a closed-casket funeral, cremation or a memorial service, and the offender's next-of-kin gets a bill for scraping from the "detonating room" surfaces and cleanup and collecting the offender's remains! Nude passengers should have the option of having their clothes inspected and cleared to wear on board as opposed to being diverted to the luggage hold, or at least renting cleared clothes from the airline or TSA. They may have embarassing non-explosive body features, and USA has a lot of airline passengers who would refuse to fly nude for religious reasons. I suspect the airlines would get in or successfully lobby for a way to keep such people as fare-paying passengers. Keep in mind that the 9-11 hijackers did not have bombs, but boxcutters. Maybe flight attendants need martial arts training and training in use of handguns and to get concealed carry permits and be allowed to put handguns (with hollowpoint or fragmenting bullets) to use on board planes? - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: Jan Panteltje on 28 Dec 2009 18:40 On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:18:19 +0000 (UTC)) it happened don(a)manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in <slrnhjif5r.jah.don(a)manx.misty.com>: >>Then a year or 2 ago a Greek plane decompressed and crashed with all >>passengers aboard. > > How? Bad maintenance. >>I am sure there are zillion more cases. > > Terrorism gets me in a mood to support armed sky marshalls, crew willing >to carry guns to be allowed to do so, and to allow passengers with carry >permits from any state with both a criminal background check requirement >and a shooting proficiency requirement (or who are or were police officers >or military members trained in packing heat) to pack heat. > > - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com) Yaa, I have decided to take a cruise next time. Takes longer, but more freedom, no hassle, and better entertainment. F*ck the paranoid airlines and paranoid US. And *never* forget that this is what you get when you start mass murdering Iraqis Afghanistans... And for what? For some multinationals who will then charge you more for the oil. All to get the oil price up. US is just being used.
From: Baron on 28 Dec 2009 18:41
Jan Panteltje Inscribed thus: > On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:30:29 +0000) it happened Dirk > Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote in > <7psps4F37nU1(a)mid.individual.net>: > >>Jan Panteltje wrote: >>> On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0500) it happened PeterD >>> <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in >>> <m97ij5d0fm7fh4j8tj74mbave2lapks226(a)4ax.com>: >>>> But if we go back to the original point, that a bullet hole will >>>> cause a plane to explode because it is pressurized, >>> >>> I do not think tha tever was the original point. >>> Not even in Goldfinger. >> >>Myth Busters tried it. >>A bullet hole will not cause structural failure in an airliner. >>Nor will anyone get sucked out through a small window. > > Goldfinger was big and fat, so it was a big window, > else he would not have fit through it. > :-) Yea, but it made good cinema though... -- Best Regards: Baron. |