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From: Nico Coesel on 28 Dec 2009 19:29 Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html >> >> So a guy tried to detonate a bomb during the last hour of a flight. >> The TSA morons thus conclude that all terrorists detonate their bombs >> in the last hour, so make it illegal to get out of your seat during >> those 60 minutes. They are clearly assuming that the bombers are >> dumber than they are; I have my doubts. > >This guy appeared to have been quite bright and from a good family if >his educational record and background checks are to be believed. > >But he obviously didn't tick the boxes on the US Visa application marked >"do you intend to overthrow the government of the USA or assassinate the >President?". It is a standing joke in the ROW that only an American >would be dumb enough to tick those boxes. It is rumoured that Oscar >Wilde wrote in earlier days "Sole purpose of visit" in answer to this >question. AFAIK no US president has been killed by a foreigner to date. > >http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k025/e2k25news.html >(under Visa Waiver Program) > >It is an insane question since there are two possible outcomes to an >attempted coup. Either the coup succeeds and the question is irrelevant >or it fails and the perp gets another 5 years for not answering a Visa >question added to his 200 year or death sentence to run concurrently. > >So clearly despite him being on a UK no-fly terrorist watch list the US >authorities were quite happy to let him fly to the USA. > >> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >> suppose searching people who look like they might be terrorists would >> be "profiling" or "invasion or privacy" or something. > >What I find more amazing is that he went through Amsterdam Schiphol - >there are full bodyscan booths on most UK flights and I assume on US > >The most important thing to find out now is did he go through the right >sort of body scanner and if not why not? > >Schiphol had the right kit and operators trained to use it so why didn't >they see the problem before he left the ground? Actually Schiphol has the most sophisticated version but they are not allowed to be used because of privacy regulations. I once attended a demonstration of a prototype body scanner and I must say it works very well. If someone has something strapped to his/her body, the body scanner will reveal it. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Michael A. Terrell on 28 Dec 2009 20:52 Anssi Saari wrote: > > Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam(a)nowhere.com> writes: > > > If he was a terrorist, that plane won't land. He is just another > > amateur madman. > > Yes, at least the NY Times said the guy was in the bathroom for 20 > minutes, presumably tinkering with his bomb, then went back to his > seat to set it off. Can't imagine why, makes more sense to set it off > in the bathroom. Well, maybe he forgot to bring something to the > bathroom? > > > However, it is a good question why amateurs started causing so much > > trouble. > > Maybe it's just copycatting? Like the failed attempt at a follow-up in > London Underground with bombs that didn't work? That's what they get for buying the detonators from Lucas. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: John Larkin on 28 Dec 2009 21:07 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:36:27 +0000, Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html >> >> So a guy tried to detonate a bomb during the last hour of a flight. >> The TSA morons thus conclude that all terrorists detonate their bombs >> in the last hour, so make it illegal to get out of your seat during >> those 60 minutes. They are clearly assuming that the bombers are >> dumber than they are; I have my doubts. > >This guy appeared to have been quite bright and from a good family if >his educational record and background checks are to be believed. > >But he obviously didn't tick the boxes on the US Visa application marked >"do you intend to overthrow the government of the USA or assassinate the >President?". It is a standing joke in the ROW that only an American >would be dumb enough to tick those boxes. It is rumoured that Oscar >Wilde wrote in earlier days "Sole purpose of visit" in answer to this >question. AFAIK no US president has been killed by a foreigner to date. > >http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k025/e2k25news.html >(under Visa Waiver Program) > >It is an insane question since there are two possible outcomes to an >attempted coup. Either the coup succeeds and the question is irrelevant >or it fails and the perp gets another 5 years for not answering a Visa >question added to his 200 year or death sentence to run concurrently. > >So clearly despite him being on a UK no-fly terrorist watch list the US >authorities were quite happy to let him fly to the USA. > >> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >> suppose searching people who look like they might be terrorists would >> be "profiling" or "invasion or privacy" or something. > >What I find more amazing is that he went through Amsterdam Schiphol - >there are full bodyscan booths on most UK flights and I assume on US >ones too so it is amazing he got through. Having said that they are >nowhere near as sharp as London Heathrow. US carriers have insane levels >of personal details they demand ages in advance so there are serious >questions to be asked about why the dozy bastards did not notice him. > >But I could not get a credit card through at Schiphol, so body moulded >PETN seems highly unlikely to get through iff he went through the right >scanners. And someone on a terrorist watch list should be getting *very* >well checked. There is a clear systematic failing somewhere that needs >sorting out for all our sakes. >> >> They did give my 90-year old father a full, very rude pull-aside >> screening because he had a one-way ticket out of Louisiana after >> Katrina. I once got super-harassed and triple searched because my >> ticket had a "payment basis" of "A", and nobody knew what "A" meant. I >> think it meant American Express. > >One way tickets are always suspicious. You said you wanted profiling. Terrorists buy one-way tickets? And what's suspicious about a 90 year old guy leaving New Orleans after a hurricane? And why are the security people always so rude? To show how tough they are? John
From: Tim Williams on 28 Dec 2009 21:30 "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7psuqcFs56U2(a)mid.individual.net... > I have heard of some fat woman getting her innards sucked out while > flushing the loo at 30,000 ft. at the same time as making an airtight fit. Also Mythbusters. Hint: toilet seat has a gap. Tim -- Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk. Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 28 Dec 2009 21:34
Tim Williams wrote: > "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:7psuqcFs56U2(a)mid.individual.net... >> I have heard of some fat woman getting her innards sucked out while >> flushing the loo at 30,000 ft. at the same time as making an airtight fit. > > Also Mythbusters. Hint: toilet seat has a gap. Seems you are correct http://tafkac.org/medical/evisceration/toilet_evisceration_boeing.html -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |