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From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 28 Dec 2009 21:35 John Larkin wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:36:27 +0000, Martin Brown > <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> John Larkin wrote: >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html >>> >>> So a guy tried to detonate a bomb during the last hour of a flight. >>> The TSA morons thus conclude that all terrorists detonate their bombs >>> in the last hour, so make it illegal to get out of your seat during >>> those 60 minutes. They are clearly assuming that the bombers are >>> dumber than they are; I have my doubts. >> This guy appeared to have been quite bright and from a good family if >> his educational record and background checks are to be believed. >> >> But he obviously didn't tick the boxes on the US Visa application marked >> "do you intend to overthrow the government of the USA or assassinate the >> President?". It is a standing joke in the ROW that only an American >> would be dumb enough to tick those boxes. It is rumoured that Oscar >> Wilde wrote in earlier days "Sole purpose of visit" in answer to this >> question. AFAIK no US president has been killed by a foreigner to date. >> >> http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k025/e2k25news.html >> (under Visa Waiver Program) >> >> It is an insane question since there are two possible outcomes to an >> attempted coup. Either the coup succeeds and the question is irrelevant >> or it fails and the perp gets another 5 years for not answering a Visa >> question added to his 200 year or death sentence to run concurrently. >> >> So clearly despite him being on a UK no-fly terrorist watch list the US >> authorities were quite happy to let him fly to the USA. >> >>> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >>> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >>> suppose searching people who look like they might be terrorists would >>> be "profiling" or "invasion or privacy" or something. >> What I find more amazing is that he went through Amsterdam Schiphol - >> there are full bodyscan booths on most UK flights and I assume on US >> ones too so it is amazing he got through. Having said that they are >> nowhere near as sharp as London Heathrow. US carriers have insane levels >> of personal details they demand ages in advance so there are serious >> questions to be asked about why the dozy bastards did not notice him. >> >> But I could not get a credit card through at Schiphol, so body moulded >> PETN seems highly unlikely to get through iff he went through the right >> scanners. And someone on a terrorist watch list should be getting *very* >> well checked. There is a clear systematic failing somewhere that needs >> sorting out for all our sakes. >>> They did give my 90-year old father a full, very rude pull-aside >>> screening because he had a one-way ticket out of Louisiana after >>> Katrina. I once got super-harassed and triple searched because my >>> ticket had a "payment basis" of "A", and nobody knew what "A" meant. I >>> think it meant American Express. >> One way tickets are always suspicious. You said you wanted profiling. > > Terrorists buy one-way tickets? > > And what's suspicious about a 90 year old guy leaving New Orleans > after a hurricane? > > And why are the security people always so rude? To show how tough they > are? To show that they don't think the guy's a suicide bomber? Else they'd be more polite:-) -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: Martin Brown on 29 Dec 2009 06:07 Nico Coesel wrote: > Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> John Larkin wrote: >> So clearly despite him being on a UK no-fly terrorist watch list the US >> authorities were quite happy to let him fly to the USA. >> >>> The real issue is why they let a Nigerian, festooned with explosives, >>> on a terrorist watch list, onto the plane in the first place. I >>> suppose searching people who look like they might be terrorists would >>> be "profiling" or "invasion or privacy" or something. >> What I find more amazing is that he went through Amsterdam Schiphol - >> there are full bodyscan booths on most UK flights and I assume on US >> >> The most important thing to find out now is did he go through the right >> sort of body scanner and if not why not? >> >> Schiphol had the right kit and operators trained to use it so why didn't >> they see the problem before he left the ground? > > Actually Schiphol has the most sophisticated version but they are not > allowed to be used because of privacy regulations. I once attended a > demonstration of a prototype body scanner and I must say it works very > well. If someone has something strapped to his/her body, the body > scanner will reveal it. They were running it for real on UK flights when I went through at Easter last year. It is like a glass shower booth with a set of emitters and receivers that sweep around the target. It is very slick. I left a credit card in a pocket when asked to remove all items. They found it with ease. You go in raise arms above head and it does a sweep. Slower than a normal metal detector gate but still fairly fast ~30s a person. The guy at the scanner doesn't see the images he is in radio contact with the operator who tells him exactly where to look. The operator AIUI does not see the person scanned except in terahertz or microwave band that the thing uses. I expect displayed as a cylindrical projection. Regards, Martin Brown
From: Paul Keinanen on 29 Dec 2009 06:45 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:08:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:29:12 -0500) it happened PeterD ><peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in <2kchj5ptl0si10folbr9k0stm04bo9him2(a)4ax.com>: >>They do just fine... Don't confuse movies with real life. Many planes >>have been 'shot full of holes' and none have crashed from >>decompression... > >Actually, come to think of it, there have been several fatal crashes due to decompression. >One big one was IIRC a DC10 that had the cargo door pop out, the pressure difference broke the floor, >ripped the control cables routed in that floor, and it crashed. >There also was not so long ago a small private jet, it depressurised, the crew got unconscious, >it kept flying on auto pilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed. >Then a year or 2 ago a Greek plane decompressed and crashed with all passengers aboard. >I am sure there are zillion more cases. The early de Havilland Comet jet airliners crashed due to compression fatigue, the Turkish Airlines DC10 crashed outside Paris due to control cable damage. The 747 crash in Japan was due to badly repaired pressure bulkhead (after a tail dragging incident). Other than these events, are there other events, in which the plane has been lost due to decompression or structure failure ?
From: Martin Brown on 29 Dec 2009 06:47 John Larkin wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:36:27 +0000, Martin Brown > <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> John Larkin wrote: >>> They did give my 90-year old father a full, very rude pull-aside >>> screening because he had a one-way ticket out of Louisiana after >>> Katrina. I once got super-harassed and triple searched because my >>> ticket had a "payment basis" of "A", and nobody knew what "A" meant. I >>> think it meant American Express. >> One way tickets are always suspicious. You said you wanted profiling. > > Terrorists buy one-way tickets? Who can tell? The security guys certainly seem to think so. > > And what's suspicious about a 90 year old guy leaving New Orleans > after a hurricane? That he was still alive? Or didn't leave before the hurricane struck? > And why are the security people always so rude? To show how tough they > are? That's mostly a US thing. One of my supervisors had permanent scarring from an encounter with your boys in blue. Another history lecturer was beaten to a pulp for jay walking. Your immigration officials are some of the most unpleasant individuals I have ever encountered. I get the impression they are just waiting for the opportunity to shoot someone who fails to stand behind the red line. US internal flight tickets of foreigners are marked unsubtly and they almost always get the treatment meted out to your father - no matter how unlikely a terrorist they are. In the 80's I used to get pulled fairly often in the UK for looking like someone they were interested in and having components in my hand luggage that appear like detonators on Xray. They were always polite and professional with me. More recently post 9/11 at Heathrow they found a miniature screwdriver that had vanished into the seams of my carry-on bag. They got it out without doing any damage and then confiscated it. I must have been through dozens of airports with that thing in place. I do find it a bit annoying that you can't buy a mail it back to me bag. It is a pain losing nail files and forgotten screwdrivers every time. Same for a colleague who was hand carrying a high voltage rectifier stack for an emergency repair that looked for all the world like three sticks of dynamite in a box. He had all the documentation with him and contact numbers for trusted references - trouble was expected with this unit. Security agreed to open his bag out of sight of other passengers to avoid scaring them and having our guy lynched before take off. Another absent minded colleague left his fat attache case unattended for a couple of minutes and by the time he had reported it stolen bomb disposal had it outside surrounded with sandbags after an Xray showed it was full of wires, blocks of something (chocolate) and electronic boards. He got a serious dressing down for leaving unattended luggage and wasting police time. But I was impressed how fast they had reacted. Regards, Martin Brown
From: Jan Panteltje on 29 Dec 2009 07:40
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:54:53 +0000) it happened Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote in <7psuqcFs56U2(a)mid.individual.net>: >Jan Panteltje wrote: >> On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:30:29 +0000) it happened Dirk Bruere at >> NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote in <7psps4F37nU1(a)mid.individual.net>: >> >>> Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0500) it happened PeterD >>>> <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in <m97ij5d0fm7fh4j8tj74mbave2lapks226(a)4ax.com>: >>>>> But if we go back to the original point, that a bullet hole will cause >>>>> a plane to explode because it is pressurized, >>>> I do not think tha tever was the original point. >>>> Not even in Goldfinger. >>> Myth Busters tried it. >>> A bullet hole will not cause structural failure in an airliner. >>> Nor will anyone get sucked out through a small window. >> >> Goldfinger was big and fat, so it was a big window, >> else he would not have fit through it. >> :-) > >I have heard of some fat woman getting her innards sucked out while >flushing the loo at 30,000 ft. at the same time as making an airtight fit. Now there is a use for a security pressure switch :-) One that detects weight and inhibits flushing. >-- >Dirk > >http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK >http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party >http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show > |