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From: Robert Montgomery on 9 Nov 2009 12:44 M-M wrote: >> You can set up an AirPort wireless network in minutes, without special >> tools." What about my settings in Internet Connect > 802.1x? Do I need to be concerned about the settings there? Currently, the settings are: Confiugration: Other Network Port: Airport User name: Password: Wireless Network: Robert
From: David Empson on 9 Nov 2009 17:41 Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > David Empson wrote: > > Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > > > >> David Empson wrote: > >>> Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In article <251020092008084122%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, > >>>> nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> How could I set up the D-Link 604+ router to create a wireless > >>>>>> network? > >>>>> google says that's an old router which only supports 802.11b and wep. > >>>>> > >>>>> you would be *far* better off hardwiring the airport express to your > >>>>> existing network and using the airport for a wifi network, particularly > >>>>> if you have the latest 802.11n version of the express. even if you have > >>>>> the older 802.11g version, you are *still* ahead. > >>>> The problem with that is that he AE needs to be in the other room to > >>>> connect to the speakers. > >>> Upgrading to a more modern wireless router and getting the Airport > >>> Express to join its network (as I described earlier) would be the best > >>> solution. > >>> > >>> If the Airport Express creates a wireless network and the iMac is > >>> connected to both that network and the D-Link, you may be able to get it > >>> working reliably, but everything has to be configured carefully. > >>> > >>> You will effectively be setting up two separate IP networks. The D-Link > >>> and Mac form one network, and the Airport Express and Mac form a > >>> separate network. The two networks must use different ranges of IP > >>> addresses so the Mac knows which interface to use. > >> I think I'd rather buy a new router. > > > > You will just need to make one setting change on the Airport Express, > > and possibly one on the iMac. > > > >>> (I'd expect the LED on the Airport Express to be blinking orange in this > >>> configuration, because it will be complaining about not having anything > >>> plugged into its Ethernet port.) > >>> > >>> The key question: what IP address range is the D-Link supplying via its > >>> DHCP server? > >> The D-Link 604+ configuration > Advanced page for DHCP says: > >> > >> Starting IP address: 192.168.0.2 > >> Ending IP address: 192.168.0.33 > > > > Given that, you need to configure the Airport Express to NOT use > > addresses starting with 192.168.0. Pick any other option, such as > > 192.168.2 (just to avoid any possible conflict with a future router you > > get which might use 192.168.1). You could also use any address range > > starting with 10. > > > > I suggest configuring the Aiport Express DHCP server to alocate > > addresses in the range 192.168.2.2 through 192.168.2.99 (for example). > > The Airport Express will be 192.168.2.1. > > > > That gives you the option of being able to configure the iMac's Airport > > interface to use a static address of 192.168.2.100 (up to > > 192.168.2.254), if it turns out this is necessary for reliable > > operation. > > So do you mean that all I'd have to do would be to change the existing > range of IP addresses listed on my DHCP page from the current: > > Starting IP address: 192.168.0.2 > Ending IP address: 192.168.0.33 > > to: > > Starting IP address: 192.168.2.2 > Ending IP address: 192.168.2.99 > > and then restart the router and then configure Airport Utility again? This is getting back to my earlier suggestion that you could set up the Airport Express to create a wireless network which is independent from the wired network created by the D-Link, and the iMac would be joining both networks. I had already discounted this as a practical solution, because you have another PC you want to connect wirelessly, which I didn't know about when I posted that article. If the PC connected to an independent wireless network created by the Airport Express, it would be unable to access the Internet. I suggest you abandon this plan and go with the later and better solution of getting another wireless base station which can be attached to the D-Link, so that everything will be on the same local network. None of the suggestions above are relevant to the dual base station configuration. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: David Empson on 9 Nov 2009 17:41 Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > David Empson wrote: > > David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> The specific issue with WiFi in your old D-Link router (from what nospam > >> said - I haven't looked up the specifics of your router) is that it has > >> a very old implementation of it. Specifically: > >> > >> 1. It only supports 802.11b, which is the oldest and slowest of the WiFi > >> standards in common use. > >> > >> For decent performance, you want to be using 802.11g, or with newer > >> devices 802.11n. 802.11b is slow enough that it may limit the > >> performance of your Internet connection and/or streaming music to the > >> Airport Express. > >> > >> 2. It only supports WEP for encryption, which is the oldest and least > >> secure method of protecting a wireless network. It is now regarded as > >> completely useless - software is readily available which allows anyone > >> to hack into an 802.11b WiFi network, probably in a few minutes or > >> faster. > > > > Sorry - slightly bad wording there. Second sentence should start "WEP is > > now regarded as completely useless..." > > > >> For decent security you need to be using WPA2/AES encryption, though > >> WPA/TKIP is still "good enough" to require major effort to crack. > >> > >> In order to use 802.11g/n or better security methods, your base station > >> must be new enough to support these features. > > I assume that if I buy an Extreme or additional Express to connect to > the D-Link router, and I deactivate the WEP security for the D-Link, I > would activate network-wide WPA2/AES security in the Airport Express > settings of that Extreme or additional Express? You will be completely disabling the wireless network of the D-Link, so its wireless security settings are irrelevant and can be ignored. They only affect a wireless network that the D-Link is creating. The security settings for the Airport Express/Extreme are in Airport Utility, under the Airport heading, on the Wireless tab I think (don't have one handy to confirm). The base station which is creating the wireless network sets the security mode for the wireless network. Assuming you are purchasing a new base station to connect to the D-Link, it is that new base station which will be creating the network and specifying the security mode and passphrase. The Airport Express in the other room will then be joining that wireless network, as will the PC. They will need to select the correct security mode for the network (which the Airport Express should automatically identify, but the PC might not) and you will need to enter the passphrase. > (I can't see the security settings of my current Express now because > most of them are grayed.) You probably have some other mode setting such as the wireless mode which is preventing the entry of those settings. Not important - worry about it after you get the second base station. Configure the new base station first, then reconfigure your existing Airport Express to join the new wireless network. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Jim Glidewell on 10 Nov 2009 00:25 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > I agree with those who say that you're a troll. No, he's really not. I have seen Robert post here before, and have seen him get solutions that work and be grateful for them. But it always seems to be a very protracted process. To get an Airport Express to work as an endpoint for Airtunes, you need: The Airport Express (configured in bridge mode - no DHCP or NAT) iTunes And *another* wireless device that can serve as a base station That last device can be either a wireless router or a Mac with built-in Wifi with network sharing via wifi turned on. If Robert's iMac has wifi built-in, then he should be able to use his Airport Express with just those two devices. (his Internet connection being irrelevant). But at this point, I still don't know whether his iMac has wifi or not... ( many early ones didn't) Almost any third party wireless router should be able to pass packets from the wired side to the wifi side for the Airport Express to pick up. I really don't think that Usenet is the right support method for Robert - too many bits of conflicting advice, too long between queries and feedback. By the time he gets advice, it is already out of date because he's changed something in the meantime. But if I ran a usability lab, I'd love to have Robert as a subject. If there are holes in an instruction manual he will find them. Unlike the nerds (like me) that hang out on Usenet, Robert is a Mac user first, tech nerd a distant second. It still seems like Apple should have a step-by-step guide (or guides) to 1) share your Internet connection via wifi using your mac and 2) connecting an airport express via wifi. These are both pretty common and desirable functions. Has this route been attempted? (I haven't read *all* of the posts on this thread...) What is crazy is how much time has been spent composing postings back and forth for a problem that could probably be handled in less than a half hour in person. So, Robert, if by some chance you live in the Seattle area, I am willing to come by and fix this for you in exchange for a six pack of decent beer... But I won't won't won't get dragged any further into this endless thread. :-)
From: Jolly Roger on 13 Nov 2009 18:33
In article <8xrJm.51930$PH1.13514(a)edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > > In article <hu_Gm.50989$PH1.52(a)edtnps82>, > > Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > > > >> The machine says "Wireless ADSL Router" on it. > > > > Hmm... then it must be different than the one I am looking at on > > D-Link's web site: > > > > <http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62> > > Right. That router is a DI-604. Mine is a 604+. My bad then. Looks like you'll need to keep the DLINK for the DSL features. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR |