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From: Jolly Roger on 31 Oct 2009 16:06 In article <UD_Gm.50992$PH1.8458(a)edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > > In article <AQYGm.49993$Db2.32961(a)edtnps83>, > > Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > > > >> Yes, I'm still using the D-Link. And yes, I configured the Express > >> correctly. I plugged it into an outlet in a room that's next to the > >> Imac. I plugged a cord from the Express into the powered speakers. And I > >> plugged the powered speakers into an outlet. > > > > If the Airport Express is configured correctly, when you run Airport > > Utility on your Mac, you will see the Airport Express in the list on the > > left side of the window. > > Well, I did have it listed there a few times before, but it's not there > now. That indicates a problem to me. > I gave up trying to set it up again with my current configuration, > because it's been revealed here that I should either change my settings > somehow to avoid the conflict of having both the router and the Express > sending out DHCP IP addresses, or get a more up-to-date router. How do we know for sure you have such a conflict? Are you sure you have configured your Airport Express to be a DHCP server?? > I don't know how to change the router settings to avoid the IP address > conflict, so I decided to buy a new router to replace my old D-Link. That's probably just as well. I've never considered D-Link's routers to be among the better routers out there. > Is there a good brand of router that's cheaper than the Apple Extremes? Define "good" please. : ) Seriously, none of them will come close to matching the plug-and-play and ease of use of the Airport Extreme. You do get what you pay for. In this case, you get additional headaches in the form of hard-to-use and less secure configuration interfaces with the cheaper ones. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Jolly Roger on 31 Oct 2009 16:08 In article <hu_Gm.50989$PH1.52(a)edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > David Empson wrote: > > Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > > > >> David Empson wrote: > >> > >>> What sort of connection does your D-Link have to the Internet? > > >> How can I find out? I checked my router's configuration data in a > >> browser, and System Profiler, but I can't translate the geekese there > >> into regular English. > > > > How does it physically plug into the Internet? What sort of cable is > > used between the D-Link and the Internet, and what is the socket on the > > D-Link labelled? > > The socket is labeled "ADSL". The cord in that socket is a phone cord, > which leads to a five-way phone jack splitter. The main cord of the > phone jack splitter leads to a phone jack in a wall. > > > Does that cable plug into some other device? If so, what is the brand > > and model of that device, how is the socket to the D-Link labelled, and > > what does the connection look like between that device and the Internet? > > No other device. > > > Note the subtle difference between telephone sockets and Ethernet > > sockets. The US uses RJ-11 (six pin) telephone sockets, though only two > > of those pins are used. Ethernet uses RJ-45 (eight pin) sockets which > > are similar in appearance but wider. > > I see what you mean. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Only one of > the four Ethernet sockets is used. It's got a cable leading to my Imac. > > > If the D-Link plugs into a standard telephone socket, possibly via small > > device mentioning "Filter" or similar, with sockets labelled PHONE and > > COMPUTER (or DSL, or DATA) then you have a DSL connection (it might > > mention ADSL, VDSL or SDSL somewhere). > > > > The D-Link may also have DSL in its model name, or mention one of these > > terms in its description on the device, or the web interface, or the > > user manual. > > The machine says "Wireless ADSL Router" on it. Hmm... then it must be different than the one I am looking at on D-Link's web site: <http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62> -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Sander Tekelenburg on 31 Oct 2009 21:22 In article <UD_Gm.50992$PH1.8458(a)edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: [...] > it's been revealed here that I should either change my settings > somehow to avoid the conflict of having both the router and the Express > sending out DHCP IP addresses, or get a more up-to-date router. Nonsense. *If* the problem is that you have two DHCP servers active, then the obvious solution is to switch one of those off (the one on the AirportExpress, I'd say). > [...] so I decided to buy a new router to replace my old D-Link. You could. But it seems to me that nobody here yet knows what your actual problem is, so another router might solve exactly nothing. -- Sander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!"
From: David Empson on 31 Oct 2009 22:18 Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > David Empson wrote: > > Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > > > >> David Empson wrote: > >> > >>> What sort of connection does your D-Link have to the Internet? > > >> How can I find out? I checked my router's configuration data in a > >> browser, and System Profiler, but I can't translate the geekese there > >> into regular English. > > > > How does it physically plug into the Internet? What sort of cable is > > used between the D-Link and the Internet, and what is the socket on the > > D-Link labelled? > > The socket is labeled "ADSL". The cord in that socket is a phone cord, > which leads to a five-way phone jack splitter. The main cord of the > phone jack splitter leads to a phone jack in a wall. Good, that is enough information to confirm your D-Link is a DSL router. (ADSL, as it happens, which is one of the many variants of DSL and probably still the most common one. ADSL stands for "Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line" - the Asymmetric bit means it is faster for downloading than for uploading.) An Airport Extreme cannot directly replace your D-Link. You will still need some device to act as an ADSL modem, because the Airport Extreme does not include that feature. Your best option would be to replace the D-Link with a more modern ADSL modem/router which includes a better implementation of WiFi, particularly support for 802.11g, and WPA/WPA2 encryption. If you are getting a new ADSL modem/router it would be a good idea to confirm the new one supports ADSL2+, which is a more recent standard that allows faster Internet connections, but only if you are close enough to the exchange or roadside cabinet (based on length of the telephone line between the exchange and your house), and only if your Telco supports ADSL2+. ADSL2+ is fully compatible with older versions of ADSL. The other option is to keep using your D-Link and attach another device to it via Ethernet. That other device will act as your main wireless base station. Another Airport Express is sufficient for this task. > > Note the subtle difference between telephone sockets and Ethernet > > sockets. The US uses RJ-11 (six pin) telephone sockets, though only two > > of those pins are used. Ethernet uses RJ-45 (eight pin) sockets which > > are similar in appearance but wider. > > I see what you mean. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Only one of > the four Ethernet sockets is used. It's got a cable leading to my Imac. Good, that is what I expected based on earlier discussion. With my suggestion of adding a second Airport Express, you would plug it into one of the remaining Ethernet sockets in the D-Link. The iMac would remain connected as it is now. The resulting network would look like this: Room 1 ====== Phone Line | | (ADSL) | | D-Link DSL-604+ | | | | | | | +-----(Ethernet)-----iMac | | | | | +-------(Ethernet)-----Airport Express (A) | | (2 spare Ethernet sockets) Room 2 ====== Airport Express (B) ----(Audio)----> to stereo PC Both devices in Room 2 are connected wirelessly to the network created by Airport Express (A). As long as Airport Express (B) is the current model (which supports 802.11n), its Ethernet socket can also be used to connect another device to the network via Ethernet, without having to run a long Ethernet cable through to the D-Link. Any such device will make use of the wireless connection between the two Airport Expresses. (That device could be an Ethernet switch. I use a very similar configuration where my "room 2" is my dining/entertainment room.) If you choose to replace the D-Link with a more modern ADSL modem/router/WiFi base station, you won't need Airport Express (A), and the replacement for the D-Link will be creating the wirless network. Everything else remains the same. Assuming you go with the dual Airport Express configuration, then the key details you need to set this up are: 1. Under the Airport/Wireless settings on Airport Express (A), Wireless Mode must be set to "Create a wireless network". Set up security options as you see fit. I recommend WPA/WPA2 Personal. 2. Under the Internet settings on Airport Express (A), Connection Sharing should be "Off (Bridge Mode)". This disables the router and DHCP server in the Airport Express. With this confguration, your D-Link is the router and DHCP server, and you don't want the Airport Express to be one as well. 3. Under the Airport/Wireless settings on Airport Express (B), Wireless Mode must be set to "Join a wireless network", choosing the wireless network created by Airport Express (A). (This automatically disables routing features in Airport Express (B).) 4. The PC must be set to join the wireless network created by Airport Express (A). 5. The iMac must have Internet Sharing turned off, and its Airport must also be turned off. The iMac will talk to Airport Express (B) for audio output by going through the Ethernet to D-Link, Ethernet to Airport Express (A), then wirelessly to Airport Express (B). -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Robert Montgomery on 7 Nov 2009 22:26
Jolly Roger wrote: > In article <%WZFm.50570$PH1.26361(a)edtnps82>, > Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: > >> Jolly Roger wrote: >>> In article <64lFm.49489$Db2.38027(a)edtnps83>, >>> Robert Montgomery <info-block(a)northern-data-tech.net> wrote: >> And I'm afraid to change my firewall settings. Are you sure that I can >> activate the D-Link's firewall, and disable my Imac's firewall, without >> any bad consequences? > > I don't have hands-on experience with D-Link's firewalls, but I am > willing to say that in general, the firewall provided by a hardware > router such as this, is well-suited to protect computers plugged into > it. So the answer is yes, with the understanding that I can't make any > guarantees that the particular D-Link 604 unit you have is problem-free > or configured / functioning correctly. Then again, we can say similar > things about your computer (is the firewall configured and running > correctly, etc). > > Anyhow, if I were you, I'd get an Airport Extreme, configure it to be > the singular firewall for all devices in my house, get audio streaming > working and be done with it! > > BTW, I stream music from my Mac Pro through my Airport Extreme to an > Airport Express in another room which is plugged into speakers all the > time. It works great! Thanks, Jolly. Robert |