Is the Unix shell possible under iPhoneOS?
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From: nospam on 9 Mar 2010 06:05 In article <slrnhpc9ro.2b82.g.kreme(a)cerebus.local>, Lewis <g.kreme(a)gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > I never said off-the-shelf, you did, I merely pointed out that a Mac can > run any iPhone app. Yes, you need source code, but you do not need to > rewrite the app for the Mac. Hit one button and you're done. as has been pointed out before, even if the cpu was not an issue, there are numerous things missing from the simulator which prevents running 'any iphone app.' > , apple would need to > > update rosetta to emulate the arm chip. > > Doubtful. I expect Apple has the code for all the iphone apps and can > recompile any app at anytime to run on anything they want. they don't have the source code for any apps other than their own. > I don't > *know* this, since I never signed on for the iPhone developr program, yet you think you know how it works. and you don't even need to sign up to find out the details either. > but I would not be at all surprised to find that waht you submit to > Apple includes the compiled app and all the source code. the source code is *not* submitted. where in the world did you get that idea? > After all, Apple may want to change the processor in the iPhone someday, > they're not going to want to go through a lot of effort to get old apps > recompiled, or worse have to have an emulator in a future iphone. they'll burden the developers to recompile it, like they did the last two times they changed cpus. > > it just needs to be recompiled, and sometimes there are issues between > > the two cpus. > > What issues? And recoomiling is ONE BUTTON. generally it is relatively easy, however, sometimes compiling it for a different cpu doesn't go as smoothly as you might hope, particularly if you want to use some open source code that was never intended for the iphone platform.
From: JF Mezei on 9 Mar 2010 12:19 Lewis wrote: > It would be practically no effort whatsoever. It's OS X all the way > down. I am not sure how "OS-X" the iphone OS *really* is. Sure, it has Darwin's core operating system/kernel. But wouldn't the iphone/ipodtouch/ipad have a totally different set fo frameworks to build the user interface and all other services ? (just consider the touchscreen interface which I gather generate different "mouse" events than on a true OS-X system). Do the handheld devices use Cocoa or do they have their own ?
From: Doc O'Leary on 9 Mar 2010 13:45 In article <1jf4067.662udf1n7p1k5N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>, dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > Apple would rather sell the Mac users another device than give them a > way of running iPhone applications on a Mac. It's not even about Apple; it's about the users themselves. iPhone apps are not Mac apps, and they would come off as more clunky than even Classic apps did. iPhone apps are *barely* iPad apps. Sure, Apple is getting them to run, but the whole user experience is going to be strained. It works *much* better going the other way, from a Mac app to an iPhone/iPad app. You gain some features which you might use, but aren't entirely necessary (e.g., multi-touch), and you lose a few features that you can mostly do without (e.g., mouse hover). Still, as a user, I'd rather have the best experience than a sloppy port. As a developer, I'd rather put in a little extra effort to offer that. The last thing I want is another crappy "straddling" technology like Carbon was. I'll thank Apple to keep their iTouch apps off my Mac, and owners of iTouch devices should do the same. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too.
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 20 Mar 2010 11:45 On 2010-03-06 5:12 PM, Lao Ming wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a 3rd-Party app for iPhoneOS to reach the shell > like Terminal? If it has Darwin, then shouldn't the shell be > possible? You will need to jail break your iPhone (with the various risks that involves) to get to a shell. Jailbroken phones can also run an ssh server so you can get to the command-line with a full keyboard. > Without it, I can't imagine ever wanting an iPod, iPhone or > iPad. I'm a command-line junkie myself, but I've never felt that I need this in my phone or microwave oven (other than for the geek points of being able to actually get there.) But it sounds like you would be better off with a Android device. That would probably make more sense than trying to contort an iPhone to meet your needs. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 20 Mar 2010 11:58
On 2010-03-07 6:32 PM, Lao Ming wrote: > On Mar 6, 3:38 pm, nospam <nos...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >> what exactly do you want to do that requires shell access? > > I would love to be able to ssh to my server from anywhere I might be I already do this (all the time) from my iPhone without having to have shell access to the phone itself. There are several ssh clients available on the iTunes App store. I use TouchTerm SSH. There's nothing like the first time I killed a game my daughter was playing on her computer by ssh-ing from my phone. She now knows that when I say "If you don't stop playing and come to dinner, I will stop the game for you" that I really mean it. I also have a port scanner, and a set of tools that include ping, traceroute and DNS look-ups. All of these without having any shell access to the phone itself. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid |