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From: Graeme Wood on 14 Apr 2010 02:23 On 14/04/2010 05:25, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > Jaimie Vandenbergh<jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > >> <Graeme.Wood(a)ed.ac.uk.nospam> wrote: > [snip] > >>> It has nothing to do with storage costs or costs of servers. It has to >>> do with very few universities using it and the cost for provision of the >>> feeds being not worth the expenditure. Newsfeeds are not free. >> >> Ah - charges rather than costs. Right. I'm obviously taking my current >> job (software projects manager) too closely to heart. > > If so, and since he's at a university, he should be able to tell us the > details. > > I shouldn't think that the charges levied to downstream users in this > setup were/are anything more than paying for the bandwidth. > > Which is slight. > > What does the contract say? > > Rowland. > The cost to the university is effectively zero because the newsfeed cost is being met by JANET, who no longer wish to bear that cost and are cutting the newsfeed service.
From: Rowland McDonnell on 14 Apr 2010 03:01 Graeme Wood <Graeme.Wood(a)ed.ac.uk.nospam> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > Graeme Wood<Graeme.Wood(a)ed.ac.uk.nospam> wrote: > > > >> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > > [snip] > > > >>> But support queries could be of any volume. I can't even throw an > >>> estimate at that. The easy thing to do is make it an unsupported > >>> service, but from hazy memory I think JANET doesn't like doing that. > >>> > >>> Cheers - Jaimie > >> > >> It has nothing to do with storage costs or costs of servers. It has to > >> do with very few universities using it and the cost for provision of the > >> feeds being not worth the expenditure. Newsfeeds are not free. > > > > news.individual.net peers with over 200 other news servers, according to > > them. Seems to me that means those peers provide free access. > > Well you are wrong. Well tell me what you know instead of just contradicting me in that rude supercilious manner of yours, which is intended to put me down in an annoying fashion just for the sake of annoying me. Go on, what's NIN get charged for peering? Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Ben Shimmin on 14 Apr 2010 03:47 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>: [...] > I suspect a lot of the decisions go along the lines of: > > Usenet cost: Non-zero > Usenet apparent benefit:zero I have a lovely mental image of some manager at JANET opening up ucsm, taking a look at a few threads, and saying, `Who are these nutters? What is this all about? We're paying *how much* for this?!' b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Zombies are defined by behavior and can be "explained" by many handy shortcuts: the supernatural, radiation, a virus, space visitors, secret weapons, a Harvard education and so on.' -- Roger Ebert
From: Jim on 14 Apr 2010 03:53 On 2010-04-14, Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>: > > [...] > >> I suspect a lot of the decisions go along the lines of: >> >> Usenet cost: Non-zero >> Usenet apparent benefit:zero > > I have a lovely mental image of some manager at JANET opening up ucsm, > taking a look at a few threads, and saying, `Who are these nutters? > What is this all about? We're paying *how much* for this?!' Ha! Yes, very good point. Jim -- Twitter:@GreyAreaUK "[The MP4-12C] will be fitted with all manner of pointlessly shiny buttons that light up and a switch that says 'sport mode' that isn't connected to anything." The Daily Mash.
From: Chris Ridd on 14 Apr 2010 03:57
On 2010-04-14 08:47:52 +0100, Ben Shimmin said: > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>: > > [...] > >> I suspect a lot of the decisions go along the lines of: >> >> Usenet cost: Non-zero >> Usenet apparent benefit:zero > > I have a lovely mental image of some manager at JANET opening up ucsm, > taking a look at a few threads, and saying, `Who are these nutters? > What is this all about? We're paying *how much* for this?!' Well his teeth clearly aren't polarised correctly. -- Chris |