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From: Rowland McDonnell on 13 Apr 2010 14:04 James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: [snip] > Agree, you're wasting your time with him. He starts off really fine and > then throws his dummy out and starts on folk. You're better off out of > it. > > Waits for the "Jolley creature this,, that and the other" type comments. Hello Mr Kettle. Rowland. P.S. In case you've forgotten, I told you to killfile me because you get annoyed by my posts; and you know very well that I told you I'd killfiled you[1] so as to avoid being annoyed by your posts. I don't want to be interacting with you, James. But I also don't want to be on the receiving end of the kind of libellous patronising filthy insults that you enjoy hurling at me. Just stop with the personal abuse, James - leave it out, it doesn't belong here, this is a technical newsgroup. Got that? Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. [1] And the killfile entry is still active. Examine MacSoup to learn how one may over-ride the killfile in MacSoup on a post-by-post basis. I looked at the post of yours that I'm replying to because I thought it was probably another insult along the lines of that posted by Peter C, and I'm so sick of this kind of routine personal abuse that I've decided to not let it lie any more. Just lay off the personal abuse, James, lay off. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: James Jolley on 13 Apr 2010 14:17 On 2010-04-13 18:58:47 +0100, real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) said: > Graeme Wood <Graeme.Wood(a)ed.ac.uk.nospam> wrote: > >> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > [snip] > >>> But support queries could be of any volume. I can't even throw an >>> estimate at that. The easy thing to do is make it an unsupported >>> service, but from hazy memory I think JANET doesn't like doing that. >>> >>> Cheers - Jaimie >> >> It has nothing to do with storage costs or costs of servers. It has to >> do with very few universities using it and the cost for provision of the >> feeds being not worth the expenditure. Newsfeeds are not free. > > news.individual.net peers with over 200 other news servers, according to > them. Seems to me that means those peers provide free access. > > If so, all that you need to pay for is the purchase price and `normal > local running costs' (electricity, floor space, manpower to maintain it, > etc) for your server and the consumed bandwidth - which has already been > shown to be a trivial amount of both server and bandwidth resources when > put against that used by any university overall. > > Seems to me that these costs add up to something so small as to be > nearly irrelevant when looked at in the context of any university > computer services budget. > > Rowland. I wonder. Perhaps there are higher costs these days because everyone wants on to the network? Is the cost of running a network these days any higher? It's years since I was at uni, well 2001 but a long time in terms.
From: James Jolley on 13 Apr 2010 14:18 On 2010-04-13 18:58:48 +0100, real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) said: > Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> How you can conclude that hard fact is "baseless nonsense", when I was >>> there and you - almost certainly - were not, would challenge any >>> logical mind. >> >> Geoff; you are talking to Rowland here. >> >> Please desist. > > Peter, please butt out. > > Your input is not welcome. > > The troll is insulting me. You refuse to admit that I get insulted > here. What you've done is insult me further with a very patronising > attitude. > > That's rude and unhelpful. > > The best thing you can do is to keep your nose out of my business. > How is it your business? It's a public group after all init!
From: James Jolley on 13 Apr 2010 14:22 On 2010-04-13 19:04:00 +0100, real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) said: > James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: > > [snip] > >> Agree, you're wasting your time with him. He starts off really fine and >> then throws his dummy out and starts on folk. You're better off out of >> it. >> >> Waits for the "Jolley creature this,, that and the other" type comments. > > Hello Mr Kettle. Huh? > > P.S. In case you've forgotten, I told you to killfile me because you > get annoyed by my posts; and you know very well that I told you I'd > killfiled you[1] so as to avoid being annoyed by your posts. Thing is, I understood that that issue months ago was done and dusted. You were doing fine as well, putting together fair comments and I don't see the insults at all. > > I don't want to be interacting with you, James. That's up to you, and anyone here. > > But I also don't want to be on the receiving end of the kind of > libellous patronising filthy insults that you enjoy hurling at me. Just > stop with the personal abuse, James - leave it out, it doesn't belong > here, this is a technical newsgroup. I don't see what i'm meant to have said. Jeff made valid points, you seemed to take delight in argueing the toss with him and he seemed to be in the network business or whatever he does. > > Got that? Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. Again, thought things were alright. > > [1] And the killfile entry is still active. Examine MacSoup to learn > how one may over-ride the killfile in MacSoup on a post-by-post basis. I don't use macsoup > > I looked at the post of yours that I'm replying to because I thought it > was probably another insult along the lines of that posted by Peter C, > and I'm so sick of this kind of routine personal abuse that I've decided > to not let it lie any more. Just lay off the personal abuse, James, lay > off. Whatever you say, but the old remark still stands, you're your own worsed enemy.
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 13 Apr 2010 14:33
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:33:11 +0100, Graeme Wood <Graeme.Wood(a)ed.ac.uk.nospam> wrote: >On 13/04/2010 11:48, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:39:44 +0100, Jim<jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2010-04-10, Jim<jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Having said that, I wonder what the actual figures are. I've got a >>>> recent email from news.individual.net so I might try asking them and see >>>> if I get a reply. >>> >>> And I did. >>> >>> Roughly - very roughly - they receive about 1.8-2.5GB a day. This includes >>> duplicates from multiple feeds, plus the occasional accidental binary. >>> They've also seen these numbers drop over the last few years. >>> >>> Weeding out the duplicates I _think_ they see something in the region of >>> half-a-Gig a day inbound. >>> >>> Somewhat less than I was expecting, to be honest. Even allowing for a year's >>> retention (no idea what their retention actually is) the space requirements >>> are well within off-the-shelf storage, although you'd also need redundency >>> on that storage. >> >> So worst case, on mirrored arrays, duplicated across a couple of >> physical locations, we're looking at... four 1Tb disks per year of >> retention. That's not going to be the reason to stop providing it, >> then! >> >> I can't imagine a text newsserver requiring more than five days a year >> of someone's time to keep running. The initial set up (nowadays) would >> be three days for kit+software, maybe five days for newsfeed >> contracts. >> >> But support queries could be of any volume. I can't even throw an >> estimate at that. The easy thing to do is make it an unsupported >> service, but from hazy memory I think JANET doesn't like doing that. > >It has nothing to do with storage costs or costs of servers. It has to >do with very few universities using it and the cost for provision of the >feeds being not worth the expenditure. Newsfeeds are not free. Ah - charges rather than costs. Right. I'm obviously taking my current job (software projects manager) too closely to heart. Cheers - Jaimie -- I have seen the fuchsia, and it's ... er ... sort of pink and mauve with bits hanging out. -- Richard Robinson, urs |