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From: Graeme Wood on 13 Apr 2010 13:33 On 13/04/2010 11:48, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:39:44 +0100, Jim<jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> > wrote: > >> On 2010-04-10, Jim<jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: >>> >>> Having said that, I wonder what the actual figures are. I've got a >>> recent email from news.individual.net so I might try asking them and see >>> if I get a reply. >> >> And I did. >> >> Roughly - very roughly - they receive about 1.8-2.5GB a day. This includes >> duplicates from multiple feeds, plus the occasional accidental binary. >> They've also seen these numbers drop over the last few years. >> >> Weeding out the duplicates I _think_ they see something in the region of >> half-a-Gig a day inbound. >> >> Somewhat less than I was expecting, to be honest. Even allowing for a year's >> retention (no idea what their retention actually is) the space requirements >> are well within off-the-shelf storage, although you'd also need redundency >> on that storage. > > So worst case, on mirrored arrays, duplicated across a couple of > physical locations, we're looking at... four 1Tb disks per year of > retention. That's not going to be the reason to stop providing it, > then! > > I can't imagine a text newsserver requiring more than five days a year > of someone's time to keep running. The initial set up (nowadays) would > be three days for kit+software, maybe five days for newsfeed > contracts. > > But support queries could be of any volume. I can't even throw an > estimate at that. The easy thing to do is make it an unsupported > service, but from hazy memory I think JANET doesn't like doing that. > > Cheers - Jaimie It has nothing to do with storage costs or costs of servers. It has to do with very few universities using it and the cost for provision of the feeds being not worth the expenditure. Newsfeeds are not free.
From: Peter Ceresole on 13 Apr 2010 13:35 Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote: > How you can conclude that hard fact is "baseless nonsense", when I was > there and you - almost certainly - were not, would challenge any > logical mind. Geoff; you are talking to Rowland here. Please desist. -- Peter
From: James Jolley on 13 Apr 2010 13:49 On 2010-04-13 18:35:13 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said: > Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote: > >> How you can conclude that hard fact is "baseless nonsense", when I was >> there and you - almost certainly - were not, would challenge any >> logical mind. > > Geoff; you are talking to Rowland here. > > Please desist. Agree, you're wasting your time with him. He starts off really fine and then throws his dummy out and starts on folk. You're better off out of it. Waits for the "Jolley creature this,, that and the other" type comments.
From: Rowland McDonnell on 13 Apr 2010 13:58 Graeme Wood <Graeme.Wood(a)ed.ac.uk.nospam> wrote: > Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: [snip] > > But support queries could be of any volume. I can't even throw an > > estimate at that. The easy thing to do is make it an unsupported > > service, but from hazy memory I think JANET doesn't like doing that. > > > > Cheers - Jaimie > > It has nothing to do with storage costs or costs of servers. It has to > do with very few universities using it and the cost for provision of the > feeds being not worth the expenditure. Newsfeeds are not free. news.individual.net peers with over 200 other news servers, according to them. Seems to me that means those peers provide free access. If so, all that you need to pay for is the purchase price and `normal local running costs' (electricity, floor space, manpower to maintain it, etc) for your server and the consumed bandwidth - which has already been shown to be a trivial amount of both server and bandwidth resources when put against that used by any university overall. Seems to me that these costs add up to something so small as to be nearly irrelevant when looked at in the context of any university computer services budget. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 13 Apr 2010 13:58
Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote: > > > How you can conclude that hard fact is "baseless nonsense", when I was > > there and you - almost certainly - were not, would challenge any > > logical mind. > > Geoff; you are talking to Rowland here. > > Please desist. Peter, please butt out. Your input is not welcome. The troll is insulting me. You refuse to admit that I get insulted here. What you've done is insult me further with a very patronising attitude. That's rude and unhelpful. The best thing you can do is to keep your nose out of my business. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |