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From: unsettled on 14 Nov 2006 22:45 Don Bowey wrote: > On 11/14/06 7:10 PM, in article c8320$455a826c$4fe72fc$12883(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > > >>Don Bowey wrote: >> >>>On 11/14/06 5:11 PM, in article af2fc$455a6697$4fe40db$12195(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, >>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Don Bowey wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>By the way, who helped you get the wage you receive(d)? >>>> >>>>Here's a bit of news for you. >>>> >>>>I negotiated it based on my performance and reports from >>>>those I formerly did work for. I discovered something >>>>pretty simple that seems to elude several of you >>>>posting to this thread. Employers will gladly pay >>>>someone for any exceptional value they bring to the job. >>>> >>>>When that work is sitting there while a machine makes >>>>widgets and occasionally hauling away the finished >>>>product and filling the blanks bin, then there's no >>>>exceptional value the employee is able to bring to the >>>>job. >>>> >>>>There's a Marxist-socialist undercurrent in this >>>>discussion which seems to want to equate the value >>>>of all work and all workers. >>>> >>>>It never works that way unless artificial controls are >>>>imposed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>If you say 'nobody' you're a fool. >>>> >>>>I helped me get the wages I received. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>And you are a fool. >> >>For getting a great wage every time out? LOL > > > No. For being so dense you are unaware of where you received help. > > It's pointless of you to respond to this. > > >>Here's a Bowey who criticizes success. Good going there. Pointless for you to have entered your petty protest.
From: Ken Smith on 14 Nov 2006 22:47 In article <5eskl2pfvhmu9s6n3grm97qcfv1ntoaap6(a)4ax.com>, JoeBloe <joebloe(a)nosuchplace.org> wrote: >On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:21:11 +0000, Eeyore ><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: > >>Democracy is no guarantee of industrial success. > > > China is far from an industrial success. Practically every >technology they have currently was given to them or they stole it. > > They got their steel works and knowledge of steel from Russia. The goods travel from China to the US. China got the technology they needed however they could and then applied it. This sounds like a success. > Were it not for their war machine, they would be even further >recessed in time than the idiots we are fighting now are. > > China's war machine is what made China great long before the >prosperity of Hong Kong or Taiwan flourished. No, it was the massive size of their population that did it. Invaders get spread too thin to hold. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: lucasea on 14 Nov 2006 22:46 "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:wr-dnZjov4eyssfYRVnyvg(a)pipex.net... > > I also beg to disagree about patient experts. With very few exceptions, > patients will not have the knowledge, training or experience to be an > "expert." Often they are "self taught" from internet sites which generally > compounds the problems as they then _think_ they know more than the > medical practitioner. This has to be a balance. The patient must observe very carefully any potentially relevant symptoms, and having some knowledge of what causes there might be leads one to more intelligent observations. The interpretation is the part that the doctor has to be the expert in, and there has to be an open and trusting dialog, because if the doctor trusts the patient enough to tell them their interpretation of the symptoms, then the patient can observe more intelligently. Where I usually get myself in trouble is trying to interpret my observations--sue me, it's the scientist in me. In cases where I've been patient and mature enough to avoid this tendency, I've developed some really strong, trusting relationships with my doctors. When I'm unable to resist the temptation to self-interpret, the doctor usually clams up. Eric Lucas
From: Eeyore on 14 Nov 2006 22:52 Don Bowey wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Don Bowey" <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> What if the 20 year old person trying to live on > >>>> minimum wage needs health care. How can s/he afford it? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Many doctors will write off the cost of care for people who cannot afford > >>> to > >>> pay, and start them off with free "samples" of meds. It's rare to hear of > >>> someone who is refused the help of a doctor. On the other-hand, a Dr. > >>> doesn't have to accept a patient who is abusive or has a known habit of > >>> lieing to the Dr. > >> > >> Fair one, but the system still relies on doctors treating people "out of the > >> goodness of their hearts." > > > > This used to happen in the UK too before the NHS. It wasn't considered to be a > > very satisfactory arrangement. > > > > Graham > > Not satisfactory to whom? Screw them. > > If it satisfies the doctor's wish to make someone well, that's enough. Heck, all credit to the doctors of the day but it meant that ppl were reluctant to seek treatment if they were poor. Graham
From: Eeyore on 14 Nov 2006 22:54
Don Bowey wrote: > "Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Nov 06 13:39:12 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >> You are still assuming that there exists a GP who takes new patients. > > > > Yes. Why not? There always should be, as long as the population > > doesn't expand unexpectedly. > > > >> I ask my question again but I'll try to rephrase so that you get it. > >> > >> If no GPs are taking new patients, what do you do if you are > >> legitimately unhappy with the doctor you are assigned to. > > > > An extremely unlikely scenario. Extremely unlikely. If that were to > > happen, then you would obviously have to wait. It's never happened to > > me. > > Then you are fortunate. Incompatibilities between doctors and patients is > not rare, and is (without prejudice) grounds for change. There must be good > communications originated and accepted by each of them. I've only ever had any kind of disagreement with a doctor once and she was Moslem ! I'll avoid her in future. Hmmmm..... Graham |