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From: Eeyore on 15 Nov 2006 20:29 krw wrote: > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > > krw wrote: > > > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > > > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Well, Eeyore, this would belie the assertion that she lives too far from a > > > > > >population center to get decent DSL. > > > > > > > > > > I live in a town. There is no DSL line strung. > > > > > You people are starting to get really annoying. > > > > > > > > DSL comes down an ordinary telephone line ! > > > > > > Only if you're within 17K' of the CO. > > > > I make that just a fraction over 3 miles. > > I'm about four miles from the CO according to the crow. How the > telco snakes things is another issue. On the line that went back > to the CO I couldn't get better than about 26K. The other one went > to a SLC in the neighborhood and I could get 49-53K reliably on > that line. DSL was still unavailable. > > > It works over longer distances overr here, albeit not flat out. > > It falls off fast. They're not willing to even try it. After running a series of trials in broadband blackspots around the UK, BT has managed to extend the reach of its ADSL products. At present, a 512Kbps ADSL connection usually won't work over a line longer than 6km. This means that around 4 percent of homes and businesses -- around 1,000,000 potential customers -- can't get the service despite being located in an area that has been broadband-enabled by BT. BT says it has now dropped this requirement and removed the limit imposed by the length of the line for 512Kbps services. The company says it is confident that 99.4 percent of the entire UK population will be able to get broadband via their phone line by the summer of 2005, when it will have completed its programme of upgrading local exchanges to offer ADSL. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39163889,00.htm Graham
From: Eeyore on 15 Nov 2006 20:32 T Wake wrote: > "Don Bowey" <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote > >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> T Wake wrote: > >>> "Don Bowey" <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote in > >>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> What if the 20 year old person trying to live on > >>>>> minimum wage needs health care. How can s/he afford it? > >>>> > >>>> Many doctors will write off the cost of care for people who cannot > >>>> afford to > >>>> pay, and start them off with free "samples" of meds. It's rare to hear > >>>> of > >>>> someone who is refused the help of a doctor. On the other-hand, a Dr. > >>>> doesn't have to accept a patient who is abusive or has a known habit of > >>>> lieing to the Dr. > >>> > >>> Fair one, but the system still relies on doctors treating people "out of > >>> the goodness of their hearts." > >> > >> This used to happen in the UK too before the NHS. It wasn't considered to > >> be a very satisfactory arrangement. > >> > >> Graham > >> > > Not satisfactory to whom? > > The post war electorate. Mybe it's not realised by the American posters that the NHS wasn't so much imposed by a government as demanded by the public ? Graham
From: unsettled on 15 Nov 2006 20:43 Jamie wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > >> >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Well, Eeyore, this would belie the assertion that she lives too far >>>> from a >>>> population center to get decent DSL. >>> >>> >>> I live in a town. There is no DSL line strung. >>> You people are starting to get really annoying. >> >> >> >> DSL comes down an ordinary telephone line ! >> >> Graham >> > really. You should have put a ? after your comment. Not really. The minimum bandwidth necessary for ordinary POTS phone service isn't sufficient to support DSL and in much of the US DSL is not available. Where I live they gather phone lines to a nearby point which has a low powered microwave link to the teleco switch. If and when they actually run a fiber optic link to the location that has the microwave equipment then I'll be able to get DSL. The distance between the microwave tower and the CO is about 9 miles. Given the dearth of population out here they'll never recoup the cost of a new cable just as they never recouped the cost of the microwave link. There is no incentive for the to install a better system. The way the law is now, all a phone company is required to provide is a dialtone and voice connectivity. The best I get is 24.6K connect. More often it is a 24K connect. It has nothing to do with ISP, the limitation is in the copper and microwave link.
From: Don Bowey on 15 Nov 2006 20:46 On 11/15/06 4:11 PM, in article ljanl2tei3sbqaik0b60kkokdrnak7e89b(a)4ax.com, "Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:17:53 -0800, Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> > wrote: > >> I'd rather have a new MG, but they are not importing to the US yet. > > Me too. > > I knew someone who owned a red TC that was just beautiful. It had been > restored almost back to mint condition, and just needed the main > wiring loom to be put back. Her husband was out in the garage doing > the work while she and I supped G&Ts in the kitchen. Suddenly, he came > back in with his face as white as a sheet. "What's wrong? What's the > matter?" she asked, really worried. "It was only a small fire, but > it's out now", he said. Phew. > > Phew indeed. Because I remember another time, in the paved and walled > yard of a small hotel over the road from where I lived, there was an > old Hillman or something like that from the 1950s, and a bloke had > gradually restored it over the course of about six months. Came the > great day when it was finished, all gleaming and polished, and I > leaned out of the window to watch. He switched on the ignition, and > smoke came out of the bonnet. Shortly after there were flames, and > about 30 seconds later the whole car was ablaze. "Shall I call the > fire brigade then?" I asked. All he could do was sort of nod feebly, > with his mouth open. Poor chap. Hillman Minx? Most unfortunate. I belonged to Club T-MG, and they have members who own many car makes and models. They let me show and run my TR7 in club events years ago. Even 10 years ago a fully restored MGTD could get $24000. Some buyers were collectors who always trailered them, but other people bought them to drive. When a good car is lost in a mishap, the members actually go through a period of grief over it. My personal loss was an MG taxi (closed rear, open front) that got sold to a chap in the UK and shipped there while I was making up my mind about $6000. I still want that car.
From: unsettled on 15 Nov 2006 20:48
Don Bowey wrote: > On 11/15/06 4:11 PM, in article 93461$455ba9e7$4fe75f7$21090(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > > >>Jonathan Kirwan angrily proclaims: >> >>snip >> >> >>>The specific case should not have happened. Imperfect as humans may >>>be admitted as being, this particular case is a simple failure that >>>didn't even have to happen and wouldn't have, in other existing >>>systems in place and operating already, today. >> >>>Excusing the specifics by moving to a useless extreme that applies to >>>anything and says nothing doesn't help us progress at all. >> >>Fact remains we'll never achieve zero defects. >> >>As I said before, I empathize. The reality is terrible >>things can happen to any of us. In your case it was >>a close call, too close for comfort. There was, fortunately, >>enough of a failsafe system in place to overcome stupidity, >>which has no cure. >> >>Try talking to Lucas, Eeyore, and Wake about whether > > ^ > and Bowey If you insist. >>or not the woman denying service to your brother should >>have been in that position. Their Marxist socialist >>humanism would have given her the opportunity to hold >>down that job and given her raises because human beings >>should be paid "a living wage." > That's a really bad lapse of both knowledge and logic. No matter how much you wiggle and wriggle and blather, you can't alter the basic issue in this case. Your denial that the situation arose out of ordinary stupidity, which has no cure, disqualifies you from further attention on this subject, or any other for that matter. snip |