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From: lucasea on 15 Nov 2006 17:19 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:98588$455b6c01$4fe757a$19388(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >T Wake wrote: > > >> You know at McDonalds they hand over the sum of money they are told to, >> don't you? They don't get told to hand over a "dime." A number appears >> and they give that much money. Same as anyone else working on a cash >> register. > > They know how to add three columns, but they > don't know how to subtract three or four > coulmns in their heads. That's not how people at McDonald's give change. That's not how anybody gives change any more, they just give over the amount of money the cash register tells them to. If the bill is 5.35, and you give them a 10, the register will tell them to give you 4.65 in change, and they do. No special skills necessary or learned. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 15 Nov 2006 17:21 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:PiM6h.10669$yl4.1260(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:4dc84$455b6880$4fe757a$19289(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>T Wake wrote: >> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> news:63x6h.6421$Sw1.4642(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... >>> >>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:455A8441.4333989A(a)hotmail.com... >>>> >>>>> >>>>>JoeBloe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>There's a big difference between reasonable >>>>>>profits coupled with a good value product, and gouge-o-matic >>>>>>practices. One is good old fashioned American capitalism and one is >>>>>>outright theft. Do you know which is which? I have doubts that you >>>>>>could. >>>>> >>>>>LOL ! >>>> >>>>I'd still like to hear his theory of who or what gets to determine what >>>>a "reasonable profit" is. Unless his answer is "the free market", it >>>>sounds like price controls, to me. (Ironically, it is the free market >>>>that has led prices to rise so high.) I've never heard of price >>>>controls in pure capitalism. >>> >>> >>> "Fair profit" does not exist in pure capitalism either. Fair profit can >>> not be deemed by anything other than price controls - the market doesn't >>> recognise it's existence. >>> >>> JoeBloe is another Socialist in denial. >> >> Reasonable profit is a small margin above the >> then current cost of money. > > Define "small". More importantly, who gets to decide for the country? > It's starting to sound like "price controls". How exactly is that > capitalist? Even when unsettled tries to justify the socialist price controls with his "small margin" comment it comes out socialist. Blinded by his desire to denigrate what he thinks is "communism" or "socialism" he is no longer aware of where his thinking is taking him. There are no "small margins" in pure capitalism. (The nonsensical nature of his post has been ignored to give him the benefit of the doubt)
From: lucasea on 15 Nov 2006 17:24 "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:zOGdnZyr1dc4E8bYRVnytg(a)pipex.net... > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:9WL6h.10665$yl4.3580(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >> news:paOdnV3oDeIr_MbYRVnysA(a)pipex.net... >>> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> news:iiH6h.25566$TV3.5304(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >>>> >>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ejf5am$8qk_004(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> In article <8aCdnbqWfskwvMfYnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:ejccrn$8ss_006(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>> In article <BN06h.5439$IR4.708(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:45586F70.5FF100EE(a)hotmail.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >Finding the right thing that's profitable isn't always that >>>>>>>>>> >easy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is easy. People around here charge $50 for 15 minutes' worth >>>>>>>>>> of housecleaning and they get it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They do ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they wouldn't here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It's certainly not the norm in the US. It might be $50, (I've heard >>>>>>>>smaller >>>>>>>>number, in the $30 - $40 range) but it's not for 15 minutes >>>>>>>>work--typically >>>>>>>>it is for cleaning a whole house, which, including vacuuming, >>>>>>>>mopping, >>>>>>>>cleaning the loo, is probably more like an hour or two. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a 4-room house. If one is healthy, it takes 15 minutes to do >>>>>>> the usual cleaning. >>>>>> >>>>>>Blimey. I am going to cut this out and give it to my wife. >>>>>> >>>>>>I can only suspect your standards of "the usual cleaning" are >>>>>>different to >>>>>>other peoples. >>>> >>>> Ah, *now* we get the story behind the wild extrapolations. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Perhaps. If you don't have carpeting it takes about two minutes to >>>>> vacuum if you don't move furniture. >>>> >>>> Most people have carpet, and most people have the area under the >>>> furniture cleaned. Next assumption. >>>> >>>> >>>>> There are ways to do cleaning efficiently. The pros have all the >>>>> tricks. Part of the habit of living is be in contant pickup >>>>> mode. Reduces cleaning times by a lot. >>>> >>>> And why would somebody who has someone else clean their house get in >>>> this habit? If they're not doing the cleaning, there's no incentive >>>> to. >>> >>> Logic rarely enters into /BAHs assumptions and extrapolations. >>> >>> As a side note,what sort of surface area would a 4 bedroom house in the >>> US have? >> >> NB she said 4 rooms, not 4 bedrooms. > > Aha. Well spotted. Sorry, I misread it. > >> That would typically mean bedroom, kitchen, living room and bathroom. >> That's probably on the order of 1000 sq ft. > > Cool, 1000 sq ft in 15 minutes is getting closer to reality. Not if she actually cares about a clean kitchen floor, a clean bathroom, etc. All that 15 minutes really gets you is a cursory dusting, and maybe a quick brooming. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 15 Nov 2006 17:29 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:rsM6h.10673$yl4.3756(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message > news:zOGdnZyr1dc4E8bYRVnytg(a)pipex.net... >> >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> news:9WL6h.10665$yl4.3580(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >>> >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >>> news:paOdnV3oDeIr_MbYRVnysA(a)pipex.net... >>>> >>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>> news:iiH6h.25566$TV3.5304(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >>>>> >>>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ejf5am$8qk_004(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>> In article <8aCdnbqWfskwvMfYnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>>>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:ejccrn$8ss_006(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>>> In article <BN06h.5439$IR4.708(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:45586F70.5FF100EE(a)hotmail.com... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >Finding the right thing that's profitable isn't always that >>>>>>>>>>> >easy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is easy. People around here charge $50 for 15 minutes' worth >>>>>>>>>>> of housecleaning and they get it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They do ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they wouldn't here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It's certainly not the norm in the US. It might be $50, (I've >>>>>>>>>heard >>>>>>>>>smaller >>>>>>>>>number, in the $30 - $40 range) but it's not for 15 minutes >>>>>>>>>work--typically >>>>>>>>>it is for cleaning a whole house, which, including vacuuming, >>>>>>>>>mopping, >>>>>>>>>cleaning the loo, is probably more like an hour or two. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a 4-room house. If one is healthy, it takes 15 minutes to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> the usual cleaning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Blimey. I am going to cut this out and give it to my wife. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can only suspect your standards of "the usual cleaning" are >>>>>>>different to >>>>>>>other peoples. >>>>> >>>>> Ah, *now* we get the story behind the wild extrapolations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps. If you don't have carpeting it takes about two minutes to >>>>>> vacuum if you don't move furniture. >>>>> >>>>> Most people have carpet, and most people have the area under the >>>>> furniture cleaned. Next assumption. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> There are ways to do cleaning efficiently. The pros have all the >>>>>> tricks. Part of the habit of living is be in contant pickup >>>>>> mode. Reduces cleaning times by a lot. >>>>> >>>>> And why would somebody who has someone else clean their house get in >>>>> this habit? If they're not doing the cleaning, there's no incentive >>>>> to. >>>> >>>> Logic rarely enters into /BAHs assumptions and extrapolations. >>>> >>>> As a side note,what sort of surface area would a 4 bedroom house in the >>>> US have? >>> >>> NB she said 4 rooms, not 4 bedrooms. >> >> Aha. Well spotted. Sorry, I misread it. >> >>> That would typically mean bedroom, kitchen, living room and bathroom. >>> That's probably on the order of 1000 sq ft. >> >> Cool, 1000 sq ft in 15 minutes is getting closer to reality. > > Not if she actually cares about a clean kitchen floor, a clean bathroom, > etc. All that 15 minutes really gets you is a cursory dusting, and maybe > a quick brooming. > Still, it is closer than when I envisaged a 4 "bedroom" house getting cleaned in 15 mins. I am yet to see someone who can _actually_ *clean* 1000 sq ft in 15 mins.
From: lucasea on 15 Nov 2006 17:35
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:8Z6dnaNIM7dLCcbYRVnygg(a)pipex.net... > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:rsM6h.10673$yl4.3756(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >> news:zOGdnZyr1dc4E8bYRVnytg(a)pipex.net... >>> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> news:9WL6h.10665$yl4.3580(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >>>> >>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >>>> news:paOdnV3oDeIr_MbYRVnysA(a)pipex.net... >>>>> >>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:iiH6h.25566$TV3.5304(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ejf5am$8qk_004(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>> In article <8aCdnbqWfskwvMfYnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>>>>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:ejccrn$8ss_006(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>>>> In article <BN06h.5439$IR4.708(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>>>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:45586F70.5FF100EE(a)hotmail.com... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >Finding the right thing that's profitable isn't always that >>>>>>>>>>>> >easy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is easy. People around here charge $50 for 15 minutes' >>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>> of housecleaning and they get it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They do ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they wouldn't here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It's certainly not the norm in the US. It might be $50, (I've >>>>>>>>>>heard >>>>>>>>>>smaller >>>>>>>>>>number, in the $30 - $40 range) but it's not for 15 minutes >>>>>>>>>>work--typically >>>>>>>>>>it is for cleaning a whole house, which, including vacuuming, >>>>>>>>>>mopping, >>>>>>>>>>cleaning the loo, is probably more like an hour or two. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a 4-room house. If one is healthy, it takes 15 minutes to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> the usual cleaning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Blimey. I am going to cut this out and give it to my wife. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I can only suspect your standards of "the usual cleaning" are >>>>>>>>different to >>>>>>>>other peoples. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, *now* we get the story behind the wild extrapolations. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps. If you don't have carpeting it takes about two minutes to >>>>>>> vacuum if you don't move furniture. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most people have carpet, and most people have the area under the >>>>>> furniture cleaned. Next assumption. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are ways to do cleaning efficiently. The pros have all the >>>>>>> tricks. Part of the habit of living is be in contant pickup >>>>>>> mode. Reduces cleaning times by a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> And why would somebody who has someone else clean their house get in >>>>>> this habit? If they're not doing the cleaning, there's no incentive >>>>>> to. >>>>> >>>>> Logic rarely enters into /BAHs assumptions and extrapolations. >>>>> >>>>> As a side note,what sort of surface area would a 4 bedroom house in >>>>> the US have? >>>> >>>> NB she said 4 rooms, not 4 bedrooms. >>> >>> Aha. Well spotted. Sorry, I misread it. >>> >>>> That would typically mean bedroom, kitchen, living room and bathroom. >>>> That's probably on the order of 1000 sq ft. >>> >>> Cool, 1000 sq ft in 15 minutes is getting closer to reality. >> >> Not if she actually cares about a clean kitchen floor, a clean bathroom, >> etc. All that 15 minutes really gets you is a cursory dusting, and maybe >> a quick brooming. >> > > Still, it is closer than when I envisaged a 4 "bedroom" house getting > cleaned in 15 mins. Fair enough. |