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From: jmfbahciv on 17 Nov 2006 07:51 In article <C181E0F8.4D06E%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On 11/16/06 6:48 AM, in article >ejhtoa$8qk_006(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com, "jmfbahciv(a)aol.com" ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> In article <4559D132.A2D0BE21(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Local doesn't have to mean small. When I lived in the centre of London I >> had >>>>> a local GP and a local health centre. >>>> >>>> Yes it does to mean small. A local health center has a small >>>> capacity. Even if you assume that all medical appointments will >>>> take 5 minutes, the capacity of any center is severely limited. >>>> Say it is in a population of 10,000 and all come down with a >>>> flu in the same 24 hours. The center won't be able to handle >>>> 100, let along 10,000. >>> >>> The same problem arises just as much in the big cities too. >>> >>> In fact, in a rural location you likely don't have the easy means to spread >>> infections that fast anyway, no crowded transit systems and the like for >> example. >> >> I'm in an urban area. Around here, flu shots and nasal spray is >> dispensed in the grocery stores. There were no signs that said >> the flu clinics were being held and the news said that the >> distribution would be fixed soon, so I went to the grocery store >> Sunday. I took a chance. Now I've caught what they've put in >> this year's flu cocktail. > >Or as is common and more likely, you had the flu virus before you got your >shot. Look around for someone else to blame, and keep a mirror handy. No, I cannot get the shot; it would be deadly to me. /BAH
From: lucasea on 17 Nov 2006 07:55 "Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote in message news:dgsql2pn6ovl7o7fb7eo5rsq1rucdi41q8(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 16 Nov 06 14:30:51 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > By the way, I just spoke with a friend of mine for about an hour > tonight about US medical and dental care systems. He is a practicing > doctor. He and I seem to agree both generally and in specific, so I'm > thinking I understand myself and am able to communicate with at least > one other doctor about this without difficulty in understanding. So > perhaps our difficulty is more about you either not trying hard enough > to understand what I wrote about or you not trying hard enough to say > what you mean. > > Be more pointed, if you would. Not likely, in my experience. One of her special arguing tactics is to be purposely vague. This forces readers to infer what she meant, at which time she invents a different meaning and berates people for 1) not being able to read and/or 2) not being able to think. It seems like she does this so that she can pick her meaning after she hears the arguments against other meanings that people come up with. I've grown weary of her disingenuous arguing tactics like this one. She is terrified to learn anything new and won't even admit it, and so further discussions with her about anything are starting to feel more and more pointless. I'm not saying I'm outta here, but I am going to back way off my replies to BAH. Unlike other less mature members of this discussion, I'm still going to read as much as I can of this thread, because unlike them, I actually believe there is something I can learn from other people. Eric Lucas
From: jmfbahciv on 17 Nov 2006 07:54 In article <Q167h.6484$IR4.3653(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >"Don Bowey" <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >news:C181E0F8.4D06E%dbowey(a)comcast.net... >> On 11/16/06 6:48 AM, in article >> ejhtoa$8qk_006(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com, "jmfbahciv(a)aol.com" >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >>> In article <4559D132.A2D0BE21(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Local doesn't have to mean small. When I lived in the centre of London >>>>>> I >>> had >>>>>> a local GP and a local health centre. >>>>> >>>>> Yes it does to mean small. A local health center has a small >>>>> capacity. Even if you assume that all medical appointments will >>>>> take 5 minutes, the capacity of any center is severely limited. >>>>> Say it is in a population of 10,000 and all come down with a >>>>> flu in the same 24 hours. The center won't be able to handle >>>>> 100, let along 10,000. >>>> >>>> The same problem arises just as much in the big cities too. >>>> >>>> In fact, in a rural location you likely don't have the easy means to >>>> spread >>>> infections that fast anyway, no crowded transit systems and the like for >>> example. >>> >>> I'm in an urban area. Around here, flu shots and nasal spray is >>> dispensed in the grocery stores. There were no signs that said >>> the flu clinics were being held and the news said that the >>> distribution would be fixed soon, so I went to the grocery store >>> Sunday. I took a chance. Now I've caught what they've put in >>> this year's flu cocktail. >> >> Or as is common and more likely, you had the flu virus before you got your >> shot. Look around for someone else to blame, and keep a mirror handy. > >Question for BAH--what amount of time passed between when you went to the >store and when you caught "what they've put in this year's flu cocktail"? This one seems to have a 2-day incubation period and lasts 5-6 days; I won't know the latter until I'm over it. I'm assuming a week. That means the course is 9 days; multiply it by 8 which gives 72 days. That means that I won't be over this one until February. Great. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 17 Nov 2006 07:55 In article <455C8862.45FC7E95(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> In article <dlmkl2p3pr0iehb2ln9t559bjl74uv27r1(a)4ax.com>, >> Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >> >On Tue, 14 Nov 06 13:50:00 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>When JMF was dying, I had to learn nursing procedures and doctor >> >>procedures without the benefit of schooling. I became an expert >> >>in minimizing side effects of drugs he was taking and made >> >>all kinds of mechanical assists to keep him as comfortable as >> >>possible. The ultimate question was who would die first? Him or >> >>me? >> >> >> >>My Dad is now going through the same bullshit only he has no >> >>advocate who will speak up and say no. On top of it all, >> >>their assigned "GP" is stupid. >> > >> >That's a shame. I wish you luck. >> >> It's Dad who needs the luck. The idiot doctor just prescibed >> a drug that almost killed him last summer; the same drug >> had severe side effects when Mom took it. > >What drug was this ? I don't remember the name. Some new heart drug. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 17 Nov 2006 07:56
In article <xu57h.6463$IR4.2985(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:ejhu26$8qk_007(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <dlmkl2p3pr0iehb2ln9t559bjl74uv27r1(a)4ax.com>, >> Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >>>On Tue, 14 Nov 06 13:50:00 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>When JMF was dying, I had to learn nursing procedures and doctor >>>>procedures without the benefit of schooling. I became an expert >>>>in minimizing side effects of drugs he was taking and made >>>>all kinds of mechanical assists to keep him as comfortable as >>>>possible. The ultimate question was who would die first? Him or >>>>me? >>>> >>>>My Dad is now going through the same bullshit only he has no >>>>advocate who will speak up and say no. On top of it all, >>>>their assigned "GP" is stupid. >>> >>>That's a shame. I wish you luck. >> >> It's Dad who needs the luck. The idiot doctor just prescibed >> a drug that almost killed him last summer; the same drug >> had severe side effects when Mom took it. > >Did you or he point those facts out to the doctor when he handed him/you the >prescription? If not, you need to accept responsibility for participating >in his and your own treatment. Thank you for proving my point that the patient has to be the expert in all areas of medicine now. I wasn't there. Mom was and she caught it. She didn't catch the other ones until they got home. /BAH |