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From: unsettled on 17 Nov 2006 18:20 T Wake wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ejkdel$8qk_025(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > >>In article <QH57h.6470$IR4.5972(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:eji182$8qk_029(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> >>>>In article <8oM6h.10671$yl4.3232(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, >>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:98588$455b6c01$4fe757a$19388(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>>> >>>>>>T Wake wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>You know at McDonalds they hand over the sum of money they are told >>>>>>>to, >>>>>>>don't you? They don't get told to hand over a "dime." A number >>>>>>>appears >>>>>>>and they give that much money. Same as anyone else working on a cash >>>>>>>register. >>>>>> >>>>>>They know how to add three columns, but they >>>>>>don't know how to subtract three or four >>>>>>coulmns in their heads. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That's not how people at McDonald's give change. That's not how anybody >>>>>gives change any more, they just give over the amount of money the cash >>>>>register tells them to. If the bill is 5.35, and you give them a 10, >>>>>the >>>>>register will tell them to give you 4.65 in change, and they do. No >>>>>special >>>>>skills necessary or learned. >>>> >>>>You are wrong. It takes learning to know which coins are which >>>>value. It takes learning to know what 1 and 5 and 10 and 20 >>>>mean on the paper bills. >>> >>>Uh....it may have required an advanced degree when you were a kid, but >>>kids >>>are taught that in kindergarten nowadays. >>> >>> >>> >>>>There are people who do not know this stuff. If kids have >>>>never handled money, have never been taught what money is, >>>>how will they know that a dime is $.10? >>> >>>These things are taught in kindergarten. If a kid wasn't able to learn it >>>then, s/he won't be able to learn it now. >> >>If people never use what they are taught in real life, they will >>not know these details. > > > If they never use it in real life, why do they need to learn it? Your claim > that parents et al., all use swipe cards to make payments - why not accept > that the days of cash are numbered and realise the kids don't need to learn > it, they probably will never use it. > > That said, I think you are talking nonsense. Funny thing is that the modern approach was to eliminate the memorization of simple sums and times tables in grammar school because calculators will always be around. The latest trend is to return to the memorization drills again.
From: lucasea on 17 Nov 2006 18:38 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:b9b71$455e420b$4fe7285$6031(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >T Wake wrote: > >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> news:4vi7h.4263$yE6.2248(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> >>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:ejk9av$8qk_003(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> >>>>In article <6gH6h.25564$TV3.23860(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ejf56j$8qk_003(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> >>>>>>In article <5hk6h.25029$TV3.4028(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:ejccrn$8ss_006(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In article <BN06h.5439$IR4.708(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:45586F70.5FF100EE(a)hotmail.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Finding the right thing that's profitable isn't always that >>>>>>>>>>>>easy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It is easy. People around here charge $50 for 15 minutes' worth >>>>>>>>>>>of housecleaning and they get it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>They do ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I'm sure they wouldn't here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It's certainly not the norm in the US. It might be $50, (I've >>>>>>>>>heard >>>>>>>>>smaller >>>>>>>>>number, in the $30 - $40 range) but it's not for 15 minutes >>>>>>>>>work--typically >>>>>>>>>it is for cleaning a whole house, which, including vacuuming, >>>>>>>>>mopping, >>>>>>>>>cleaning the loo, is probably more like an hour or two. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have a 4-room house. If one is healthy, it takes 15 minutes to do >>>>>>>>the usual cleaning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Once again, we see extrapolation of barely relevant experience well >>>>>>>beyond >>>>>>>the bounds of extrapolability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1) I'm sure that anybody that pays $50 to have their house cleaned >>>>>>>has >>>>>>>more >>>>>>>than a 4 room house. >>>>>> >>>>>>And you would be wrong. There is a minimum charge around here. >>>>> >>>>>OK, let me put it another way. Nobody who owns a 4-room house is going >>>>>to >>>>>pay $50 to get their house cleaned. >>>> >>>>Then you are wrong. I did. >>> >>>*You* did? PT Barnum was absolutely right. I suspect the person who did >>>the cleaning for you saw your "thinking" ability, and made you for an >>>easy mark. >> >> >> Capitalism at work :-) > > There are times that we pay a lawyer of doctor more per > minute that she did the cleaner, and get less in exchange. Don't be silly--you get a lot more in exchange. You get the benefit of a huge knowledge base, and access to societal institutions, that you would not have otherwise. The other is just a bunch of vacuuming. If her time is worth $50/15 minutes, she has more money than sense...and she really has no right to get judgmental with people about frugality, waste, etc. By the way, *she* was the one whining about how much house cleaners make. If she doesn't like it, she should vote with her feet. I'm sure one of those Portuguese huddled into that tiny house would be happy to do 15 minutes of house cleaning for $20. > Your criticisms are misplaced, as usual. Still ignoring my comments, I see. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 17 Nov 2006 19:14 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:WJr7h.11918$yl4.2433(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:b9b71$455e420b$4fe7285$6031(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>T Wake wrote: >> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> news:4vi7h.4263$yE6.2248(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ejk9av$8qk_003(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> >>>>>In article <6gH6h.25564$TV3.23860(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:ejf56j$8qk_003(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <5hk6h.25029$TV3.4028(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:ejccrn$8ss_006(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In article <BN06h.5439$IR4.708(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>>>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:45586F70.5FF100EE(a)hotmail.com... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Finding the right thing that's profitable isn't always that >>>>>>>>>>>>>easy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It is easy. People around here charge $50 for 15 minutes' worth >>>>>>>>>>>>of housecleaning and they get it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>They do ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I'm sure they wouldn't here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It's certainly not the norm in the US. It might be $50, (I've >>>>>>>>>>heard >>>>>>>>>>smaller >>>>>>>>>>number, in the $30 - $40 range) but it's not for 15 minutes >>>>>>>>>>work--typically >>>>>>>>>>it is for cleaning a whole house, which, including vacuuming, >>>>>>>>>>mopping, >>>>>>>>>>cleaning the loo, is probably more like an hour or two. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have a 4-room house. If one is healthy, it takes 15 minutes to >>>>>>>>>do >>>>>>>>>the usual cleaning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Once again, we see extrapolation of barely relevant experience well >>>>>>>>beyond >>>>>>>>the bounds of extrapolability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>1) I'm sure that anybody that pays $50 to have their house cleaned >>>>>>>>has >>>>>>>>more >>>>>>>>than a 4 room house. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And you would be wrong. There is a minimum charge around here. >>>>>> >>>>>>OK, let me put it another way. Nobody who owns a 4-room house is >>>>>>going to >>>>>>pay $50 to get their house cleaned. >>>>> >>>>>Then you are wrong. I did. >>>> >>>>*You* did? PT Barnum was absolutely right. I suspect the person who >>>>did the cleaning for you saw your "thinking" ability, and made you for >>>>an easy mark. >>> >>> >>> Capitalism at work :-) >> >> There are times that we pay a lawyer of doctor more per >> minute that she did the cleaner, and get less in exchange. > > Don't be silly--you get a lot more in exchange. You get the benefit of a > huge knowledge base, and access to societal institutions, that you would > not have otherwise. The other is just a bunch of vacuuming. If her time > is worth $50/15 minutes, she has more money than sense...and she really > has no right to get judgmental with people about frugality, waste, etc. > > By the way, *she* was the one whining about how much house cleaners make. > If she doesn't like it, she should vote with her feet. I'm sure one of > those Portuguese huddled into that tiny house would be happy to do 15 > minutes of house cleaning for $20. Exactly. /BAH has the cheek to accuse others of not knowing the value of money, yet pays $50 for what is basically a light dusting. Madness knows no bounds. >> Your criticisms are misplaced, as usual. > > Still ignoring my comments, I see. > For some reason, unsettled thought I was criticising Capitalism. He is, as always, wrong. I was commenting about /BAH's reluctance to allow market forces to work (and employing menial labour for less). Oh well, he really will never quite "get it."
From: Ben Newsam on 17 Nov 2006 19:24 On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:51:41 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Our society is better than that, I think. >> >> >> >> My folks didn't ask those questions. When we were sick we >> >> went to the doctor. The Doc would take payment in chickens >> >> or produce or something. >> > >> >I don't think they take chickens anymore ! >> >> That's because doctoring is no longer a small business. > >I don't think anyone takes payment in chickens these days. Not just doctors. I would! But then nobody has ever offered me a chicken instead of money.
From: Eeyore on 17 Nov 2006 21:21
John Fields wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >John Fields wrote: > > >> What do you do for a living? > > > >How specific would you like me to be aside from electronic design and consultancy > >( specialising in pro-audio ). > > --- > That's close enough. Ok. Your turn. Graham |