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From: jmfbahciv on 18 Nov 2006 08:15 In article <455DDC87.ECA201D3(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >Question for BAH--what amount of time passed between when you went to the >> >store and when you caught "what they've put in this year's flu cocktail"? >> >> This one seems to have a 2-day incubation period and lasts 5-6 days; >> I won't know the latter until I'm over it. I'm assuming a week. >> That means the course is 9 days; multiply it by 8 which gives 72 days. >> That means that I won't be over this one until February. Great. > >Why do you need to multiply it by 8 ? If I'm afflicted with a virus, I have the illness 8 times, AFAICT. It may be more but the symptoms become part of the background noise of the usual symptoms I have every day. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 18 Nov 2006 08:17 In article <455DDCED.A6BB9D0A(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 14 Nov 06 13:50:00 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>When JMF was dying, I had to learn nursing procedures and doctor >> >> >>procedures without the benefit of schooling. I became an expert >> >> >>in minimizing side effects of drugs he was taking and made >> >> >>all kinds of mechanical assists to keep him as comfortable as >> >> >>possible. The ultimate question was who would die first? Him or >> >> >>me? >> >> >> >> >> >>My Dad is now going through the same bullshit only he has no >> >> >>advocate who will speak up and say no. On top of it all, >> >> >>their assigned "GP" is stupid. >> >> > >> >> >That's a shame. I wish you luck. >> >> >> >> It's Dad who needs the luck. The idiot doctor just prescibed >> >> a drug that almost killed him last summer; the same drug >> >> had severe side effects when Mom took it. >> > >> >What drug was this ? >> >> I don't remember the name. Some new heart drug. > >I wondered if it might be a *new* drug ! > >The American healthcare system scores an own goal again. See previous discussion >about the merits of producing new drugs to replace those that have come >off-patent. Changing the drug had more to do with efficacy. If you're on some drugs for decades, they reach a toxic level. Changing the drug is a good thing. You should learn more about real medicine before leaping into your conclusion box. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 18 Nov 2006 08:19 In article <455DDEEF.B995AD59(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >How many referrals do you think the person should be allowed? >> >> >> >> At the moment, I'd like to limit the number of referrals a _doctor_ >> >> can make. Dad's on his 6th or 7th referral. And the basic stuff >> >> hasn't been done yet. They're playing the Medicare system to its >> >> max. >> > >> >You need an 'NHS'. >> >> He is on the US' NHS called Medicare. Diagnosis of an ill old >> person now takes lots of referrals and tests and stuff. > >Medicare isn't as good as an NHS it seems. It is an indication of what the US Congress would implement as an NHS. It will not work. *All* medical care would go underground. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 18 Nov 2006 08:26 In article <C1832D44.4D381%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On 11/17/06 4:58 AM, in article >ejkblm$8qk_012(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com, "jmfbahciv(a)aol.com" ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> In article <455C8889.E558C69B(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How many referrals do you think the person should be allowed? >>>> >>>> At the moment, I'd like to limit the number of referrals a _doctor_ >>>> can make. Dad's on his 6th or 7th referral. And the basic stuff >>>> hasn't been done yet. They're playing the Medicare system to its >>>> max. >>> >>> You need an 'NHS'. >> >> He is on the US' NHS called Medicare. Diagnosis of an ill old >> person now takes lots of referrals and tests and stuff. > >Your a complete, devious idiot, or you may be just a troll. > >*Regardless* of age, multiple referrals may be required. I'm an ill, old >(not really - just 70) person with another illness, and the first referral >by my PCP resulted in a likely cause diagnosis, requiring a second one which >firmed the diagnosis. Another referral resulted in a plan for part of the >treatment, etc., etc. > >So what in the hell is your real problem with what's going on with your dad, >and what's with your pathetic attitude? > >By the way, some illnesses aren't fixable. Exactly. He is dying. Yet he is getting tested and chunks taken out even though he has no intention of being "treated" if they decide what he has. > Get used to that concept and try >to not blame anyone if that is the case. He can barely walk from his chair to the bathroom now. Yet he has to go into the doctor's office every time they "need" to talk to him. This is stupid. They have already diagnosed him to have lymphoma; four days later, they have diagnosed him to not have lymphoma. The same thing happened with a diabetes diagnosis this week. Next week he's going in to have yet another CT scan and more blood work. So I expect they will diangose another disease and then undiagnose it. This is how Medicare is sucked dry. Meanwhile, they haven't done any of the obvious. All Dad wants is for them to stop and send in Hospice. But he can't get Hospice services until one of these idiots signs the paper. /BAH > >> >> /BAH > >I thought I could ignore you, but I failed.... > >I'm still wanting to know what is the "...basic stuff (that) hasn't been >done yet." > >I really think either you or your parent has a serious communication >problem. > >
From: jmfbahciv on 18 Nov 2006 08:28
In article <C1832E32.4D383%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On 11/17/06 5:03 AM, in article >ejkbuo$8qk_014(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com, "jmfbahciv(a)aol.com" ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> In article <455C9097.30011163(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 06 12:40:15 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> Why are the same medicines more expensive in the USA ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We pay the development costs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What about drugs from Roche or Clin-Midy and so on? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sigh! We pay the development costs. If Roche didn't include >>>>>> theirs in US prices, they'ld sell a lot more drugs. >>>>> >>>>> What's not discussed in this thread is the fact that >>>>> the manufacturers have been advertising on US TV for >>>>> some time now that if you can't afford the medicines >>>>> you need you should contact them because they have >>>>> programs to assist those living in poverty needing >>>>> their products. >>>> >>>> Those have existed all along. It does seem odd that >>>> the drug companies are started to adverstise these on >>>> TV when the Drug Medicare Bill became law. >>> >>> I find the idea of advertsising prescription drugs to the general public >> rather >>> bizarre. >> >> How would a person find out about drugs? The naming is bad >> enough. Trying to find out all the side effects, efficacies, >> etc. is very diffitult to do. The existence of the net is helping. >> >> /BAH > >Finding the side effects of every drug is SO SIMPLE anyone with a computer >could do it. Further, in the US most pharmacies provide a sheet of such >info with each prescription drug they provide. > >Get Real! > You have just made my point. It is the patient who has to do all this learning and analyzing and work. /BAH |