From: T Wake on 17 Nov 2006 16:35 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejkdtt$8qk_028(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <455C9CB7.A22D3183(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >You need to get away from the concept of commercial >>> >> >insurance. With that model there is no drive to save money. >>> >> >>> >> *I* do not need to get away from the concept. I am telling you >>> >> what our Democrats have in mind when they talk about a single-payer >>> >> system. >>> > >>> >What the Democrats 'have in mind' isn't the only possibilty ! >>> >>> How do you know this? You have already shown a misunderstanding >>> of the US Constitution, the Federal medical programs, tax >>> laws, and how we work. >> >>I have made no comments about half those things even in this thread. >> >> >>> >> >Remember, the NHS is not insurance. >>> >> >>> >> I am telling you that your type of NHS would never be >>> >> implemented here >>> > >>> >I can accept its chances may be slim due to vested interests but that's > not >>> >the point I was trying to make. >>> > >>> >> nor would it work. >>> > >>> >Just explain *why* it wouldn't work. You keep making this assertion on >>> >the >>> >basis of vague notions. >>> >>> I have already told you. Yours is based on small business models. >> >>No it isn't. The NHS is one of the largest organisation in the world ! >> >> >>> A single-payer in the US cannot have that; it is too big--3000 miles >>> wide 1700 miles long. You cannot administer distribution system >>> using a small business model while keeping the decisions central. >> >>Then how do the likes of FedEx and DHL function *worldwide* ? > > They cannot deliver individual service. They do not repackage, > recolor, nor remake the package nor the contents. There is > no comparision to carrying a package from point A to point B > and fixing a single individual's ailment. Learn how businesses work. They provide a different service. They manage to get a package anywhere in the world. The package then does it's "job" and gets opened. A nationalised health service only requires that the central control gets a doctor anywhere in the country. The doctor then does his job and makes people well again. Your attempt to use this analogy to support _your_ claims is wrong.
From: T Wake on 17 Nov 2006 16:38 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejka5d$8qk_003(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <455C7D99.31AFC7B2(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: >>> >>> >Our society is better than that, I think. >>> >>> My folks didn't ask those questions. When we were sick we >>> went to the doctor. The Doc would take payment in chickens >>> or produce or something. >> >>I don't think they take chickens anymore ! > > That's because doctoring is no longer a small business. And barter economies fell under the onslaught of capitalism. Unless you want to revert to a post-Roman Northern Europe period of history? You may not be aware of it, but most developed countries have currency now. It is amazing. It allows all manner of trade and more importantly it makes it easier for some one who doesn't produce something _you_ need at that time to pay you - without giving you something which you then have to spend time trading with some one else. You really do hanker for a society which is a mix of a pre-industrial and socialist society.
From: T Wake on 17 Nov 2006 16:40 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:455DDA8D.CCB840F5(a)hotmail.com... > > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Our society is better than that, I think. >> >> >> >> My folks didn't ask those questions. When we were sick we >> >> went to the doctor. The Doc would take payment in chickens >> >> or produce or something. >> > >> >I don't think they take chickens anymore ! >> >> That's because doctoring is no longer a small business. > > I don't think anyone takes payment in chickens these days. Not just > doctors. As an aside, /BAH creates a logical paradox for herself here. Premise 1 - doctoring isn't working in the US because it is no longer a small business Premise 2 - an NHS wont work because it is a small business (despite the evidence to the contrary). It strikes me, in her world, there will never be a solution. Small business cant do it, and anything that isn't small business cant do it. Oh well.
From: T Wake on 17 Nov 2006 16:52 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejkblm$8qk_012(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <455C8889.E558C69B(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>> >How many referrals do you think the person should be allowed? >>> >>> At the moment, I'd like to limit the number of referrals a _doctor_ >>> can make. Dad's on his 6th or 7th referral. And the basic stuff >>> hasn't been done yet. They're playing the Medicare system to its >>> max. >> >>You need an 'NHS'. > > He is on the US' NHS called Medicare. Diagnosis of an ill old > person now takes lots of referrals and tests and stuff. Shame it isn't the same. But as you now seem to accept how an NHS would be an improvement over what you have in the US, I will stop mentioning it.
From: T Wake on 17 Nov 2006 17:07
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejkd0o$8qk_022(a)s922.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <455C929F.5B8DE7C4(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >> >I wonder how she got health cover on $2 a month ! >>> >> >>> >> I didn't have it. >>> > >>> >Exacttly. So what happened if you got ill ? >>> >>> I went to bed and let nature work. >> >>So what happens if the illness is potentially fatal ? > > Hopefully, somebody would find my carcas and get it removed. Who would pay for having it removed? |