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From: Don Bowey on 19 Nov 2006 18:26 On 11/19/06 2:36 PM, in article 56e39$4560dc62$49ecfcf$27826(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > Don Bowey wrote: > >> On 11/19/06 12:23 PM, in article d8d08$4560bd36$49ecf8b$27170(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Don Bowey wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 11/19/06 11:34 AM, in article >>>> MPG.1fca7be039dea278989bf9(a)news.individual.net, "krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzz> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> In article <C185D3FB.4D876%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, dbowey(a)comcast.net >>>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/19/06 6:12 AM, in article >>>>>> ejpoot$8qk_022(a)s1014.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com, "jmfbahciv(a)aol.com" >>>>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article <456057F9.BBA34F55(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now >>>>>>>>>>> a good TTY operator can "remember" what wasn't done and catch >>>>>>>>>>> up after the mess is dealt with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You really ought to get away from the idea of TTYs you know. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Terminals have moved on somewhat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just because today's computer tech now use complete systems >>>>>>>>> for data entry and access to another computer system does >>>>>>>>> not change the TTY functionality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They do a lot more than a teletype ever did though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I say TTY, I'm talking about how the gear is used, >>>>>>> not it's capability nor capacity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /BAH >>>>>> >>>>>> A TTY keyboard used a current loop, typically 20 mA. When a key was >>>>>> pressed, the selector bars would fall into notches, mechanically encoding >>>>>> the opening and closing of the 20 mA. loop to generate the code pulses. >>>>> >>>>> The difference between a current loop, RS-232, or LAN aren't of >>>>> much importance in this context. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> When receiving, the TTY machine would mechanically decode the series of >>>>>> 20 >>>>>> mA. pulses and shift the selector bars to set-up the right character to >>>>>> print. >>>>> >>>>> How the internals of an A/KSR-33 worked isn't of much importance >>>>> here either. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gosh you know a TTY machine type. How about models 14, 15, 19, 28, 35? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> This has nothing in common with a modern computer. If you wish to misuse >>>>>> the terminology you are free to do so, but there is no way you can >>>>>> rationally support it, technically. SED is STILL, sort of a technical >>>>>> Board >>>>>> (I think), so it would be nice of you to at least try, >>>>> >>>>> The fact is that these computers are nothing more than a dumb >>>>> terminal is, however. >>>> >>>> >>>> My comments are relevant to what "TTY" denotes. >>>> >>>> A "TTY" was NEVER a computer. >>> >>> Are you ever going to run out of straw men, or do you have >>> hordes of elves constantly making new ones for you to use. >>> >> >> >> You can't tell the difference between an unarguable fact and a debatable >> point. No straw man is called for here. Your lack of acuity is greater in >> scope than I had imagined. >> > > A minor correction in your rhetoric: > s/fact/fiction/p > I will complete my side of this discussion by saying, you don't know anything about TTY.
From: Phineas T Puddleduck on 19 Nov 2006 18:28 In article <C186280B.4D973%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > I will complete my side of this discussion by saying, you don't know > anything about TTY. You could have ended that sentence at "anything". -- Thermodynamics claims another crown! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/heacon.html -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
From: Jamie on 19 Nov 2006 18:59 Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: > In article <C186280B.4D973%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, > Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >>I will complete my side of this discussion by saying, you don't know >>anything about TTY. > > > You could have ended that sentence at "anything". > LOL :) -- "I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken" Real Programmers Do things like this. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5
From: unsettled on 19 Nov 2006 19:19 Don Bowey wrote: > On 11/19/06 2:36 PM, in article 56e39$4560dc62$49ecfcf$27826(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > > >>Don Bowey wrote: >> >> >>>On 11/19/06 12:23 PM, in article d8d08$4560bd36$49ecf8b$27170(a)DIALUPUSA.NET, >>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Don Bowey wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On 11/19/06 11:34 AM, in article >>>>>MPG.1fca7be039dea278989bf9(a)news.individual.net, "krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzz> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In article <C185D3FB.4D876%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, dbowey(a)comcast.net >>>>>>says... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 11/19/06 6:12 AM, in article >>>>>>>ejpoot$8qk_022(a)s1014.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com, "jmfbahciv(a)aol.com" >>>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In article <456057F9.BBA34F55(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Now >>>>>>>>>>>>a good TTY operator can "remember" what wasn't done and catch >>>>>>>>>>>>up after the mess is dealt with. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>You really ought to get away from the idea of TTYs you know. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Terminals have moved on somewhat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Just because today's computer tech now use complete systems >>>>>>>>>>for data entry and access to another computer system does >>>>>>>>>>not change the TTY functionality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>They do a lot more than a teletype ever did though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When I say TTY, I'm talking about how the gear is used, >>>>>>>>not it's capability nor capacity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>/BAH >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A TTY keyboard used a current loop, typically 20 mA. When a key was >>>>>>>pressed, the selector bars would fall into notches, mechanically encoding >>>>>>>the opening and closing of the 20 mA. loop to generate the code pulses. >>>>>> >>>>>>The difference between a current loop, RS-232, or LAN aren't of >>>>>>much importance in this context. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>When receiving, the TTY machine would mechanically decode the series of >>>>>>>20 >>>>>>>mA. pulses and shift the selector bars to set-up the right character to >>>>>>>print. >>>>>> >>>>>>How the internals of an A/KSR-33 worked isn't of much importance >>>>>>here either. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Gosh you know a TTY machine type. How about models 14, 15, 19, 28, 35? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>This has nothing in common with a modern computer. If you wish to misuse >>>>>>>the terminology you are free to do so, but there is no way you can >>>>>>>rationally support it, technically. SED is STILL, sort of a technical >>>>>>>Board >>>>>>>(I think), so it would be nice of you to at least try, >>>>>> >>>>>>The fact is that these computers are nothing more than a dumb >>>>>>terminal is, however. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>My comments are relevant to what "TTY" denotes. >>>>> >>>>>A "TTY" was NEVER a computer. >>>> >>>>Are you ever going to run out of straw men, or do you have >>>>hordes of elves constantly making new ones for you to use. >>>> >>> >>> >>>You can't tell the difference between an unarguable fact and a debatable >>>point. No straw man is called for here. Your lack of acuity is greater in >>>scope than I had imagined. >>> >> >>A minor correction in your rhetoric: >>s/fact/fiction/p >> > > > I will complete my side of this discussion by saying, you don't know > anything about TTY. Whil you are wrong, it hardly matters. The discussion was about "comm ports."
From: unsettled on 19 Nov 2006 19:57
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <b8682$455f2266$49ecfa8$11750(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>>In article <88717$455dddd0$4fe7798$2705(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <455C9BC9.30B08330(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>><snip> >>>>> >>>>>>>I don't have a com port. >>>>>> >>>>>>On a 486 ? You normally have 2. What does your modem connect to ? >>>>>> >>>>>>That would be astonishingly unusual ! Where does the mouse go ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Serial ports. >>>> >>>>It seems to have begun with some terminals which labelled >>>>their RS232 ports with the logo "com". >>> >>> >>>Oh, I see. I never considered series nor parallel ports as >>>"comm ports". >> >>Smaller words....... > > > Nope. I don't have the patience with these clowns that you've been granting them. I took a logical shortcut. > It looks like the logical device names used in DOS have > leaked out to become common nouns. Like TTY became a common > noun for keyboard thingies. Our device names for terminals > were TTY001, TTY002,....TTYnnn. There's an entire discussion to be had about that, however we digress. I am constantly amazed at the depth of the rage and the superficiality of the knowledge several of the participants repeatedly demonstrate. Never once has anyone mentioned the word asynchronous. I am led to believe that would be more than they want to know. > The same thing seems to happened to COM when people brought > up on PCs talk about ports. Here's the thing. There have always been (since the onset of personal computing) other operating systems and computers available. These memes that have crept into computer parlance have been adapted pretty much across the board. Then came PS2 ports and USB. But I don't want to upset the angry little boys any more than they've already managed on their own. |