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From: Eeyore on 25 Nov 2006 21:15 Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > > > What's the matter? You have to stoop to snip-forging? You are > > areal piece of work. I think that's enough of you! > > Thats pretty rich coming from a poster who has to try hard to be > noticeable, let alone interesting. It seems the quality of political > debate in the UK is far more mature as we grew out of calling people > "leftist" or "rightist" as insults quite a while ago. US politics seem to be astonishingly immature. Graham
From: Don Klipstein on 25 Nov 2006 21:17 In article <4568E855.908535E2(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote: > >T Wake wrote: > >> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck(a)googlemail.com> wrote >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Have you ever read anything modern ? >> >> >> >> Thatcher was quite mad btw. >> > >> > "Quite" - barking towards the end. There is no love for Thatcher in >> > Wales, for example. Less then for Beeching, in faact. >> >> Yeah, she had some great ideas for making Britain strong by dismantling our >> heavy industry, ruining our mining economy and making the country reliant on >> FSU states for the import of basics like coal. >> >> For once I side with the Welsh here :-) > >Courtesy of what Thatcher started we are now apparently a 'post-industrial >economy' with manufacturing recently only contributing 17% of the GNP. > >I reckon this bubble's due to burst. USA appears to me "post-industrial" due to problems caused more by Democrats than by Republicans, but mostly not fixed (especially not fixing more than causing additional damage) by Republicans when they recently spent quite a few years in the White House, both houses of Congress and governor of over 30 of USA's 50 "states"! Good time for a centrist 3rd party? As opposed to the Libertarians favoring and opposing things along ideological lines, including opposition of some things that no prosperous democracy survived without since the Industrial Revolution? As opposed to parties even less centrist than the Libertarians? How about a revival of the Whig or the Bull Moose party, to favor common interests (like lower taxes with spending cuts to support them) over special interests, corporate taxes reduced overall as opposed to only to corporations and industries with the most and best lobbyists, reduction of litigation targeted towards those less needing to litigate and those benefiting more from more-wasteful litigation? Example of the last item - Florida's recently-disgraced Foley tried a year or two or so to have Congress legislate a change in ADA law, so that those not in compliance had 90 days from being served notice of noncompliance to correct the noncomplaince before being liable for lawsuits. This was to supress human cockroach lawyers and their fellow cockroach cohorts/clients from finding minor technical violations - such as a wheelchair-accessable toilet stall that any wheelchair and most gold carts can drive into, but the toilet position was 1 inch out of spec, and suing a business that legally did not have a parking lot on basis of the nearby parking lot that some of its customers used not being in compliance, and the offending lawyers "requesting" (pickpocketing) "settlement fees" less than the cost of defendants of such roachy lawsuits to win them in court! I think Foley's proposal in this area was a good idea! While most Republicans usually favor solutions that throw babies out with the bathwater in this area! (Foley was/is Republican.) Also, the USA's worst-in-the-world "War On Drugs"! Punish users inadequately and make most punishment to distribution, so as to give a profit motive to smarter meaner distributors! I thing USA is better off choosing either of two extremes: 1) Get caught with half a joint, spend 2 years in "The Joint". According to my German teacher when I was taking German in highschool, that was the law of Germany! 2) Make USA's recreational drug laws like they were in 1900 - when marijuana, cocaine and opiates were LEGAL! Given the success of "Prohibition" and the "National 55 MPH Speed Limit" in a country that appears to me to have plenty of "freedom-loving outlaws" even more than its famous "Puritans", I sense that either one of these two extremes both more workable than USA has now and that the more libertarian of these is the one to be most-workable. - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: Eeyore on 25 Nov 2006 21:19 T Wake wrote: > "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > > > > I'm left of centre myself. I can see the need for the state to keep > > checks and balances, but human nature sometimes really makes me cry! > > Prior to getting embroiled in this thread, I thought I was fairly right of > centre. I now see the error in my ways and I am firmly left of centre now. I'm intruiged by that comment. Could you elaborate on that ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 25 Nov 2006 21:20 krw wrote: > In article <C18DD298.4E621%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, dbowey(a)comcast.net > says... > > > > You have a very closed mind - even for maybe having completed the 8th grade. > > Another content-free posting from a leftie loon. Another example of closed-mind thinking from a rightie reactionary. Graham
From: Eeyore on 25 Nov 2006 21:25
krw wrote: > usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com says... > > "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I certainly agree on that. "Chavs" have a tendency to crop up most in the > > >> areas most affected by Thacherite policies. > > > > > > It seems to be a rebellion to the way things were done. You have the > > > worst of both systems. The right wing view that everything now > > > disallowed is permissible, and the left wing view that the state should > > > mollycoddle you. Add that to a fanatical hatred of anything not "local" > > > and "familar" and you have a chav. > > > > > > I'm left of centre myself. I can see the need for the state to keep > > > checks and balances, but human nature sometimes really makes me cry! > > > > Prior to getting embroiled in this thread, I thought I was fairly right of > > centre. I now see the error in my ways and I am firmly left of centre now. I > > suspect half the apparently right wing extremists posting on this thread > > live very different lives away from USENET. > > No, you're a left-wing extremist, Oh right. The left-wing extemist former soldier ! > right there with the dumb donkey. > This isn't surprising since you're both socialist Europeons. LMAO ! I've only once ever voted Labour and that was at a local election for a councillor whose opinions I respected. Graham |