From: Kurt Ullman on
In article <6tUUg.51423$E67.4167(a)clgrps13>,
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote:

> "Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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> >>9/11 was Bush's failure.
> >>
> > How long had Bush been in office when 9/11 occurred? Who was in
> > office the 8 years before that?
>
> Right. Sure. Any successes Bush has had (have there been any?) are totally
> his own. All failures are the fault of the previous administration.
>
> Isn't that one of the three biggest lies?

Yep. If you want to assign blame for 9-11 you can find all sorts of
times we could have stopped it or stopped the things that lead up to it.
But putting it all on Ottoman Empire doesn't make any hay politically.
From: Eeyore on


Keith wrote:

> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>
> > And you think you can defeat 'radical Islam' with bombs and bullets ?
>
> I know there is no choice. Perhaps you want to submit?

There is no need to 'submit'

You're living in a perversely stupid fantasy paranoid world.

Graham

From: T Wake on

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> T Wake wrote:
>
>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote
>> > T Wake wrote:
>>
>> >> If westerners are more concerned with staying alive than having their
>> >> freedoms eventually they will convert and the conflict will end.
>> >
>> > Why would they ever convert and why do you even consider that this is
>> > what
>> > it's about ?
>>
>> Because this is the simplistic example.
>>
>> They would convert because, as the example said, they are more concerned
>> with staying alive than remaining free.
>
> You wouldn't catch me doing it. I believe in the right to practice no
> religion
> at all !

Which is heading down the road of a circular argument.

As I said, when people decide life is more important than anything else,
conversion becomes the sensible option.

If you feel that right to Atheism is paramount you will die to retain it.

Personally, I would. I am old enough to think that about most of my rights
though.


From: Eeyore on


Keith wrote:

> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
> > Keith wrote:
>
> > > Meanwhile, the stuffed donkey will watch the documentary about the
> > > wild west, "Blazing Saddles".
> >
> > I've never watched it. It's far too tedious.
> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>
> Of course! You know everything, even what's tedious without having
> watched.

The first few minutes are enough to put me off. I've even accidentally come
across bits in the middle and it's not better. It's typical American
brain-dead slime designed to appeal to the mentally feeble.

Graham

From: T Wake on

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> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> T Wake wrote:
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>>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> > This mess is about changing a mindset; either Western civilization's
>>>> > mindset is changed or religious extremists' mindset is changed.
>>>>
>>>> I agree completely.
>>>
>>> How about removing the either and replacing the or with and ?
>>
>> Also an option. Any one of those three will work.
>
> I think the mutual concession option is probably the most desirable
> option, as it avoids resentful compliance on either side (or at least it
> would spread the resentment more equitably.)

Definitely the most desirable and the one with long term prospects.

Sadly the least likely!

>> If westerners are more concerned with staying alive than having their
>> freedoms eventually they will convert and the conflict will end.
>>
>> If the population in the Middle East become enticed by freedom and it's
>> potential then the support for terrorists will dry up and the conflict
>> will end.
>>
>> If both happens the conflict will end. (In an odd way though :-))
>
> Ony O Henry could have written a more ludicrous ending! :^)
>

LOL.