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From: unsettled on 28 Nov 2006 09:02 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <be7e8$456c3bb3$4fe703f$8391(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>>In article <456C2E21.87E1BD0D(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Edward Green" <spamspamspam3(a)netzero.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Amazing! That was post 10873. All nicely archived in Google, so that >>>>>>future generations may not lose one word. >>>>> >>>>>I worry about that. One little buyout and the whole archive can >>>>>be gone. >>>> >>>>It already has been bought out. >>>> >>>>It was deja.com before google. >>> >>> >>>And do you know what's been lost because of that buyout? >> >>Actually? IMO the best of usenet. > > > What is your definition of the best of usenet? The early days. 1980's.
From: Eeyore on 28 Nov 2006 09:04 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >>Take a look at European nations that are blatant socialists. > > > >OK, Sweden. Saab, Volvo, Scania -- plenty of private enterprise. > > They're not private and they're not owned by Swedes. Oh yes they are ! You can add ASEA btw ! http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp161/39e9f9ce59b1d8edc1256de4003c38c6.aspx " ASEA Asea AB, an industrial jewel of Sweden, was created in 1883. Asea�s business was broadly defined as "the generation and application of electric power." The company manufactured such diverse items as steam turbines for power plants and high-speed electric locomotives for passenger railroads. In 1986, Asea announced the successful implementation of its Nordic Strategy, an attempt to extend the firm�s engineering and manufacturing operations beyond Sweden in order to gain economies of scale - both in manufacturing and in raising capital. The big step forward had been the acquisition in Finland of Str�mberg AB with its 7,000 employees, which was followed in late 1987 by the acquisition of 63 percent of EB Corporation in Norway. By 1987, Asea was radically altered from a Swedish-centered into a pan-Nordic electrical multinational. But the company continued to look even beyond the Nordic countries In 1987 Asea and Brown Boveri were of roughly equivalent size in many respects (annual sales, net worth, number of employees) and had adopted similar lines of decentralized command. The companies also complemented each other in their geographical concentrations and in management strengths. Marriage of equals, Asea and Brown Boveri, into one company, ABB, allowed to stay at the technological edge. Utilizing production plants in many countries, the merged group made most of the advantages of international specialization and became the world's leading supplier in electric power industry. " The Swedes are damn fine at engineering. Then there's SKF - SKEFKO - the world's leading maufacturer of ball bearings and Electrolux too - ever heard of them perhaps ? I drive a Swedish car myself. Graham
From: Eeyore on 28 Nov 2006 09:05 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > >>Take a look at European nations that are blatant socialists. > > > >OK, Sweden. Saab, Volvo, Scania -- plenty of private enterprise. > > They're not private and they're not owned by Swedes. Stop lying please ! Graham
From: Eeyore on 28 Nov 2006 09:07 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: > > > >I got my flu shot. This time it didn't make me feel bad. > > I don't have to get the shot. All I have to do is breathe the > air where the shots are being dispensed. I'm pretty sure > a shot would kill me. Actually it would very likely improve your immunity. As ever you make daft assumptions based on 'folksy ideas'. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 28 Nov 2006 09:10
In article <456C3FB2.16D1B25F(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Do you really want >> >> >> me to believe that it's her fault that your citizry still >> >> >> can't be self-sufficient without government handouts? >> >> > >> >> >The issue of self-sufficiency is entirely another matter. What do you do >> >> >when >> >> >there's a shortage of jobs ? 4 million short in Thatcher's days ( around >> >> >10% unemployment ). >> >> >> >> You stop duct-taping the thumbs of the people who know how >> >> to create wealth. >> > >> >You reckon ex-mine workers are entrepreneurs ? All 100,000 of them ? >> >> Nope. You'ld need only a 100 of them to create new work. > >If that were true then each one of those businesses would >have to employ 1000 other ex-mine workers. Not at all. You don't understand how wealth is created. Those hundred would, not only create their own work, but a side effect would be other work that had to be done to support their business or deliver their business. And those people starting businesses that do that support work, will need other kinds of support work which is provided by other business owners... and it goes on and on and on. My estimate of 100 people was very high (you only need about 10) because of the unionized mindset your country seems to be stuck in. >That's clearly not going to happen overnight ( or even in >the long term ) no matter how favourable the circumstances may be. There is all kinds of stuff that needs somebody to work on it. All you have to do is look and start working. My sister worked with a gal in the factory. The factory had a very high reject count with a particular part. This gal started her own business and offered to fix all the rejects of this part. She was making tons of money, had quite a few people working for her. That kind of opportunity is all over. > > >> All of them are very capable of doing work outside thoes mines. > >Actually there were re-training schemes set up precisely because they *didn't* >have the skills to compete elsewhere ! I get real tired of snooty city slickers who seem to think that all dirty jobs require no skills. > >Note, I'm not saying they weren't generally capable workers, but they most >certainly hadn't been brought up in a business environment. They didn't have to jump to white collar jobs. Miners have to know how to babysit machinery. Those are skills that can you work anywhere. Plumbing is another one. I imagine miners have to have plenty of plumbing skills. >Nor did they have >business skills. You wouldn't expect that ! Any foreman had business skills. Any group leader had business skills. These people were quite trained in leading and directing workers under the most dire and dangerous conditions. Do you honestly think that these people couldn't handle a 10-member team who pushed pencils around on a piece of paper? > > >> Miners have skills that middle-income city slickers never learned. > >And are no longer valued ! They were no worth anything in the government-owned mines that were kept open just to keep thsoe people busy. > > >> All those workers needed was permission to go out and work. Union >> rules kept them idle. > >Simply not true BAH. They could not go out and work on a second job when idle. Union life is almost a communist entity. They even have their own military infrastructure. > >It would be an insult to miners to call them idle. When a union is on strike, the members are not allowed to find another job. They have to stand on the strike line and carry a piece of paper. /BAH |