From: krw on
In article <456C8009.41F3B1E7(a)hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>
>
> krw wrote:
>
> > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
> > > krw wrote:
> > > >lparker(a)emory.edu says...
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, Sweden. Saab, Volvo, Scania -- plenty of private enterprise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You do know that Saab is owned by GM and Volvo by Ford?
> > >
> > > GM and Ford are communist ?
> >
> > Given the labor unions influence, I=3Fm not so sure...
> >
> > But the word for today is =3Fsocialist=3F. Stop moving the goal posts,
> > dumb donkey.
>
> So, GM and Ford are socialist ?

Sweden certainly *is* (which was the subject, not FOrd or GM), as
is most of Western Europe.

--
Keith

From: krw on
In article <456C7F90.C2B4AD7C(a)hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>
>
> John Fields wrote:
>
> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > >> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote in message
> > >> >
> > >> >> Powerful minority parties were an
> > >> >>anathema to them, as is seen now in parliamentary systems.
> > >>
> > >> Not at all. They saw the problems in England with a two-party system, and
> > >> at least some felt they could be solved with multiple parties.
> > >
> > >Funny how it's turned out now then !
> >
> > ---
> > Why? We naturally gravitate to diametrical opposites. From time
> > immemorial to the present we've had our time subdivided into night
> > and day. From that we have evolved into creatures with symmetrical
> > external bodies with mirror-image left and right sides. We also
> > have good and evil, one and zero, right and wrong, republicans and
> > democrats...
>
> So you guys have a 2 party system and we have a multi-party system.

Our system is two-party, by design. The founding fathers were
afraid of a parliamentary system where a minority party could
easily hold immense power.
>
> In any case, the party system is broken now. Here at least. It may take some time
> for you guys to catch up.

Not going to change without a new Constitution.

--
Keith
From: unsettled on
krw wrote:
> In article <456C7F90.C2B4AD7C(a)hotmail.com>,
> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>
>>
>>John Fields wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Powerful minority parties were an
>>>>>>>anathema to them, as is seen now in parliamentary systems.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not at all. They saw the problems in England with a two-party system, and
>>>>>at least some felt they could be solved with multiple parties.
>>>>
>>>>Funny how it's turned out now then !
>>>
>>>---
>>>Why? We naturally gravitate to diametrical opposites. From time
>>>immemorial to the present we've had our time subdivided into night
>>>and day. From that we have evolved into creatures with symmetrical
>>>external bodies with mirror-image left and right sides. We also
>>>have good and evil, one and zero, right and wrong, republicans and
>>>democrats...
>>
>>So you guys have a 2 party system and we have a multi-party system.
>
>
> Our system is two-party, by design. The founding fathers were
> afraid of a parliamentary system where a minority party could
> easily hold immense power.
>
>>In any case, the party system is broken now. Here at least. It may take some time
>>for you guys to catch up.
>
>
> Not going to change without a new Constitution.

The UK doesn't actually have a formal constitution.


From: Eeyore on


krw wrote:

> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
> > krw wrote:
> > > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
> > > > krw wrote:
> > > > >lparker(a)emory.edu says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, Sweden. Saab, Volvo, Scania -- plenty of private enterprise.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You do know that Saab is owned by GM and Volvo by Ford?
> > > >
> > > > GM and Ford are communist ?
> > >
> > > Given the labor unions influence, I=3Fm not so sure...
> > >
> > > But the word for today is =3Fsocialist=3F. Stop moving the goal posts,
> > > dumb donkey.
> >
> > So, GM and Ford are socialist ?
>
> Sweden certainly *is* (which was the subject, not FOrd or GM), as
> is most of Western Europe.

Fine.

So socialism is no bar to commercial success then is it ?

Graham

From: Eeyore on


krw wrote:

> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
> > John Fields wrote:
> > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > > >> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote in message
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Powerful minority parties were an
> > > >> >>anathema to them, as is seen now in parliamentary systems.
> > > >>
> > > >> Not at all. They saw the problems in England with a two-party system, and
> > > >> at least some felt they could be solved with multiple parties.
> > > >
> > > >Funny how it's turned out now then !
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Why? We naturally gravitate to diametrical opposites. From time
> > > immemorial to the present we've had our time subdivided into night
> > > and day. From that we have evolved into creatures with symmetrical
> > > external bodies with mirror-image left and right sides. We also
> > > have good and evil, one and zero, right and wrong, republicans and
> > > democrats...
> >
> > So you guys have a 2 party system and we have a multi-party system.
>
> Our system is two-party, by design. The founding fathers were
> afraid of a parliamentary system where a minority party could
> easily hold immense power.

I have an issue with your idea of "immense power". Not very likely IME.


> > In any case, the party system is broken now. Here at least. It may take some time
> > for you guys to catch up.
>
> Not going to change without a new Constitution.

If that's what it takes.....

Graham