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From: jmfbahciv on 13 Jan 2007 09:35 In article <MJ6dna3Se70QfTXYnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:eoal3e$8ss_003(a)s914.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <JNednet0bbF_kDXYnZ2dnUVZ8q6nnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:eo85rh$8qk_007(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> In article <fJmdnb3Ot8NuEDrYnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:eo7uvq$8ss_001(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>> In article <45A6D193.A694451(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You need to turn on your modem's sound. You'll hear all kinds of >>>>>>>> mating sounds. You can also tell if the ISP you're calling has >>>>>>>> a headache and will cause comm eruptions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I used to do that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With broadband it's not necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> <shrug> I was in the biz; we used sound pattern differences for cues >>>>>> to prevent messes. >>>>> >>>>>Time and technology have developed significantly in the last few >>>>>decades. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> But mess detection methods haven't changed much. Changes in >>>> sound patterns means changes in behaviour. If one then >>>> experiences problems, you can watch for the same sound >>>> patterns and see if they correlate to the same bug. >>> >>>With broadband there is no "sound" to listen to. This is like trying to >>>tune >>>in a digital television with analog methods. >> >> No one can hook up a speaker and listen? > >No. I seem to recall that was an artefact of the modem converting digital >data into an analogue audio signal for transmission over telephone lines. >AFAIK there is no stage at which the broadband data signal is converted into >an audio signal. > >Can you hook a speaker up to an ethernet cable? We certainly gathered tons of information about the trafficing. I don't why that can't be converted to a sound rather than a picture on the TTY. I don't know if anybody put a speaker on an ethernet. I'll have to ask. /BAH
From: Michael A. Terrell on 13 Jan 2007 09:41 MassiveProng wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:09:39 +0000, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: > > > > > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >MassiveProng wrote: > >> > > >> >> We are at war. > >> > > >> >With which country ? > >> > >> It's a new kind of war. > > > >No it isn't. That's just a new excuse. > > > >What country is the USA at war with ? > > > >Graham > > A long time ago, the things you do were an excuse to stone you. What makes you think that he's not already stoned? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida
From: jmfbahciv on 13 Jan 2007 09:38 In article <GJidnUY_c-B5fTXYRVnytgA(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:eoal64$8ss_004(a)s914.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <eo87pn$nji$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>In article <eo7v28$8ss_002(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>In article <eo6tdr$vsa$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, >>>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>>>In article <45A6D193.A694451(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You need to turn on your modem's sound. You'll hear all kinds of >>>>>>> mating sounds. You can also tell if the ISP you're calling has >>>>>>> a headache and will cause comm eruptions. >>>>>> >>>>>>I used to do that. >>>>>> >>>>>>With broadband it's not necessary. >>>>> >>>>>You also need much better hearing. >>>> >>>>Why? I've never met broadband. It's sound pattern differences that >>>>predict that some behaviour will change. >>> >>>The frequency content extends well past the 20KHz that the human ear is >>>limited to. In DSL, there is no real signal at all down where audio band >>>modems run. >> >> There isn't any way to hang a converter or something on and >> make patterns into sounds? How about lights? > >You would need to seriously slow down the data flow for it to be meaningful >which would kind of defeat the purpose. > > You don't have to have a 1-sound::1-bit ratio. Like I said, the best way is to listen to changes of patterns. For instance, I can get used to what a successful connection "sounds" like. I do it today with the my 14,400 modem. I have no idea what the sounds mean but I do know if the melody has changed from the usual melody. My experience tells me that, if I hear a certain "sour" melody, I shouldn't even try to get into newsgroups, but just hangup and call again. /BAH
From: Michael A. Terrell on 13 Jan 2007 09:50 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > We certainly gathered tons of information about the trafficing. > I don't why that can't be converted to a sound rather than > a picture on the TTY. > > I don't know if anybody put a speaker on an ethernet. I'll have > to ask. Does your hearing go to 10 Mhz, 100 MHz or even 1 GHz? Can you find a speaker that goes that high? Data over ethernet is in small fixed length packets and the higher the bandwidth, the less time it takes to send a packet. A cable modem has transmit and receive LEDs that flicker with each packet, but even an online audio or video stream can have several seconds between bursts of data packets. Its a completely different game. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida
From: Eeyore on 13 Jan 2007 10:00
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >You could start with Israel and Pakistan in that case. Since you're > >> >supplying nuclear material to India I don't suppose you fancy cleaning up > that one ? > >> > >> When did I supply nuclear material to India? Be specific w.r.t. > >> dates. > > > >The USA has signed an agreement with India to supply nuclear fuel for their > >reactors. > > Ah, for their reactors. Your sentence above hinted that the US > was supplying bomb materials. And the agreement is a recent agreement. Last year. India gets to determine which of their reactors are designated civil and which military / dual use. > Why was that agreement made? I've heard it suggested that it was done for commercial reasons. The Indians were working on using thorium in reactors and the USA didn't like the idea they might be energy independent in that sector. Graham |