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From: T Wake on 13 Jan 2007 12:36 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eoaqn1$8qk_007(a)s914.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <MJ6dna3Se70QfTXYnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:eoal3e$8ss_003(a)s914.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <JNednet0bbF_kDXYnZ2dnUVZ8q6nnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:eo85rh$8qk_007(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> In article <fJmdnb3Ot8NuEDrYnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:eo7uvq$8ss_001(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>> In article <45A6D193.A694451(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You need to turn on your modem's sound. You'll hear all kinds of >>>>>>>>> mating sounds. You can also tell if the ISP you're calling has >>>>>>>>> a headache and will cause comm eruptions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I used to do that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>With broadband it's not necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <shrug> I was in the biz; we used sound pattern differences for >>>>>>> cues >>>>>>> to prevent messes. >>>>>> >>>>>>Time and technology have developed significantly in the last few >>>>>>decades. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> But mess detection methods haven't changed much. Changes in >>>>> sound patterns means changes in behaviour. If one then >>>>> experiences problems, you can watch for the same sound >>>>> patterns and see if they correlate to the same bug. >>>> >>>>With broadband there is no "sound" to listen to. This is like trying to >>>>tune >>>>in a digital television with analog methods. >>> >>> No one can hook up a speaker and listen? >> >>No. I seem to recall that was an artefact of the modem converting digital >>data into an analogue audio signal for transmission over telephone lines. >>AFAIK there is no stage at which the broadband data signal is converted >>into >>an audio signal. >> >>Can you hook a speaker up to an ethernet cable? > > We certainly gathered tons of information about the trafficing. > I don't why that can't be converted to a sound rather than > a picture on the TTY. The data probably can be converted into sound but it strikes me as very, very pointless task. > I don't know if anybody put a speaker on an ethernet. I'll have > to ask. It would be an odd person who wanted to listen to data streams - as they would have to be slowed down significantly to be intelligible in any way or form. A similarity to this is high speed computer generated Morse code. Human operators can "listen" to the signal but it is at a speed which blurs the data into one long sound.
From: Phil Carmody on 13 Jan 2007 12:38 MassiveProng <MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> writes: > On 12 Jan 2007 12:23:36 +0200, Phil Carmody > <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> Gave us: > > >Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > >> Phil Carmody wrote: > >> > >> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >> > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >How about food in restaurants ? I've just disovered it may be in some > >> > > 'Indian' > >> > > >food for example but there's no way of knowing. > >> > > > >> > > You ask. There was a lady who went to eat a restaurant and > >> > > ordered pesto sauce because the waitress said there wasn't any > >> > > nuts. Pesto sauce is pesto sauce because of the nuts. > >> > > >> > Typical BAH bullshit. Pesto does not need to contain nuts. > >> > As long as you're crusing herbs, it's pesto (simply meaning > >> > 'crushed' nothing more). The best parts of the best pestos > >> > are the cheeses. > >> > >> Green pesto contains *pine* nuts. > > > >Typically yes. My favourite rosso contains cashews. This proves > >nothing. My second favourite doesn't contain any nuts, yet it's > >still pesto rosso. > > Phil, The Guru of Great Fatness (and how to get there) has spoken. Everyone who knows me knows I enjoy my good, I don't ever try to deny that. Some consider my weight to be a possible health issue. However, I do not; so I don't mind hanging off the side of the BMI bell curve. Live and let live; eat and let eat. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: T Wake on 13 Jan 2007 12:40 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eoaqte$8qk_008(a)s914.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <GJidnUY_c-B5fTXYRVnytgA(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:eoal64$8ss_004(a)s914.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <eo87pn$nji$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, >>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>>In article <eo7v28$8ss_002(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>In article <eo6tdr$vsa$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, >>>>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>>>>In article <45A6D193.A694451(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You need to turn on your modem's sound. You'll hear all kinds of >>>>>>>> mating sounds. You can also tell if the ISP you're calling has >>>>>>>> a headache and will cause comm eruptions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I used to do that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With broadband it's not necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>>You also need much better hearing. >>>>> >>>>>Why? I've never met broadband. It's sound pattern differences that >>>>>predict that some behaviour will change. >>>> >>>>The frequency content extends well past the 20KHz that the human ear is >>>>limited to. In DSL, there is no real signal at all down where audio >>>>band >>>>modems run. >>> >>> There isn't any way to hang a converter or something on and >>> make patterns into sounds? How about lights? >> >>You would need to seriously slow down the data flow for it to be >>meaningful >>which would kind of defeat the purpose. >> >> > You don't have to have a 1-sound::1-bit ratio. Like I said, > the best way is to listen to changes of patterns. For instance, > I can get used to what a successful connection "sounds" like. > I do it today with the my 14,400 modem. I have no idea what > the sounds mean but I do know if the melody has changed from > the usual melody. My experience tells me that, if I hear a > certain "sour" melody, I shouldn't even try to get into > newsgroups, but just hangup and call again. As I said, technology has advanced in leaps and bounds now. The effort you would have to go to, to establish this sort of medieval set up over a broadband connection far outweighs any benefit - real or imagined. With my broadband connection, I have not had a failed connection in two and a half years, and my router is connected pretty much 24 hours a day. I remember with dial up, having the modem speaker on so you could hear the connection tones was of some value if you didn't have any graphical display on the PC but since about 1998 it has been better handled graphically. With Broadband the whole concept goes away. The router does not call up in the same manner.
From: MassiveProng on 13 Jan 2007 12:41 On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:33:57 -0000, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> Gave us: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:eo80er$8qk_001(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <45A74B55.B204D4DE(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>MassiveProng wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: >>>> > >>>> >You mean Iran ? Simply not proven. >>>> >>>> You see... there you go... and you had almost made it completely >>>> out of the retard barrel. >>>> >>>> I guess it's in your genes. You'll wash up on shore... Whale on the >>>> beach. >>> >>>You have some *PROOF* ? I do mean proof not conjecture. With regard to >>>conjecture I'd agree it's very likely they don't have an interest but >>>they're >>>*way* off being able to do anything. >> >> So you are willing to wait until Iran bombs somebody before >> you will believe that 1. they have the bombs and 2. they >> will use them. I suggest you write them a letter and volunteer >> to be their first target. I personally prefer mess prevention >> rather than cleaning it up. > >The terrorists have beaten you. > That's one boy's opinion.
From: T Wake on 13 Jan 2007 12:41
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eob2bf$8ss_013(a)s987.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45A8F9B4.EF2208ED(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> I do it today with the my 14,400 modem. >> >>Can you not even get anything faster than that ? > > Why? 14400 is faster than anything I've used before. I > don't need anything faster. Life as a fax machine is great. |