Jihad needs scientists
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From: Eeyore on 31 Jan 2007 09:01 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >No. If you go around opening the cage door on rabid pitbulls, you > >> >> >are responsible for people getting bitten. > >> >> > >> >> I'm glad you agree with me about keeping these types locked up. > >> > > >> >It doesn't have to mean physically locked up. > >> > >> With today's transportation technology, it does. There is no > >> Australia-type piece of land to keep them from making messes > >> in other peoples' backyards. > > > > It's a shame there isn't a suitable island somewhere really. > > > > I'd prefer to see Islamist trouble makers deported to a Muslim country > > rather than locked up. > > I doubt the Muslim country that was on the receiving end of these nutjobs > would be too happy. Tricky one isn't it ? I wonder if there are any suitable unoccupied Hebridean islands ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 31 Jan 2007 09:07 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Ken Smith wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Those people [Pakistanis] really like our brand of capitalism. Do you > >> >think they want to go back to the "old ways"? > >> > >> Your arument seems to have turned on it heals here. > > > >No doubt she momentarily forgot Pakistanis are Muslims. > > You are wrong. But earlier you said Muslims reject capitalism and the business ways of the west. Which is it ? Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 31 Jan 2007 09:00 In article <ea0d1$45bf6df4$4fe7196$2020(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> In article <45BF4E3C.65CCC581(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>> >>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Not really. MP's company didn't manufacture the cases; they >>>>>>>were ordered. That is not manufacturing them. >>>>>> >>>>>>Who did the mechanical design ? That's the important part. Whoever >> >> actually >> >>>>>>bashes the tin is irrelevant. >>>>>> >>>>>>It's about good design you see and good design need not be expensive. >>>>> >>>>>It may not be "expensive" but good EMI shielding does tend to push the >>>>>cost up a bit. >>>> >>>>It pushes it up a lot. Just the testing cost oodles of money. >>>>Anechoic chambers do not grow on trees. >>> >>>Compliance testing is routine these days. >> >> >> Not really. I have to unplug my stove to listen to AM radio. >> >> >>>You don't need an anechoic chamber btw. >> >> >> How do you measure the EMF in "noisy" environments? >> Or don't you need numbers anymore? >> >>> >>> >>>>>It usually requires that the sheet metal makes a good >>>>>connection at the joints and stuff like that. This typically adds a bit >>>>>to the cost. It doesn't add as much as adding an extra cup holder >>>>>however. >>>> >>>>Now implement the production line that is so perfect all leaks >>>>can't get out. >>> >>>It shouldn't be the job of the production line. >> >> >> Think about it. The production line has to be designed so >> that the process doesn't leave any seam untoned. > >OP's designs never see line level production. Possibly. It's not clear since he talks like a tech. Most in this working category don't know how the rest of the company works. /BAH
From: Eeyore on 31 Jan 2007 09:08 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: > >> >> > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>Even a representative democracy needs to have some way to deal > >> >> >>with the people who go after little kids, and make other kinds > >> >> >>of messes. A democracy does not, and never has, meant that > >> >> >>all people can do anything they want without punishment. > >> >> > > >> >> >Democracies create laws and enforce them to deal with such issues. > >> >> > >> >> Those laws apply to the citizens of that country during peace time. > >> > > >> >And in wartime too. > >> > >> No. You need to learn about your country's war powers and how > >> much of your peacetime freedoms were suspended during WWII. > > > >Nonsense. > > > >How about an example ? > > Food coupons. In exactly what meaningful way is that a loss of 'freedom' ? Rationing continued after the war btw. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 31 Jan 2007 09:03
In article <45BF78B1.68272FD1(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >> >> >Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Not really. MP's company didn't manufacture the cases; they >> >> >>> were ordered. That is not manufacturing them. >> >> >> >> >> >>Who did the mechanical design ? That's the important part. Whoever >> >> >> actually bashes the tin is irrelevant. >> >> >> >> >> >>It's about good design you see and good design need not be expensive. >> >> > >> >> >It may not be "expensive" but good EMI shielding does tend to push the >> >> >cost up a bit. >> >> >> >> It pushes it up a lot. Just the testing cost oodles of money. >> >> Anechoic chambers do not grow on trees. >> > >> >Compliance testing is routine these days. >> >> Not really. > >Yes it is. Most developed countries now require EMC compliance on all electrical >and electronic products. It's a modestly large business. > > >> I have to unplug my stove to listen to AM radio. > >Then your stove is very likely non-compliant with modern standards. It is a new stove. > > >> > You don't need an anechoic chamber btw. >> >> How do you measure the EMF in "noisy" environments? >> Or don't you need numbers anymore? > >You can use an 'open field' test site. The RF signals that occur there can be >listened to and if they're a broadcast station they are ignored. > > >> >> >It usually requires that the sheet metal makes a good >> >> >connection at the joints and stuff like that. This typically adds a bit >> >> >to the cost. It doesn't add as much as adding an extra cup holder >> >> >however. >> >> >> >> Now implement the production line that is so perfect all leaks >> >> can't get out. >> > >> >It shouldn't be the job of the production line. >> >> Think about it. The production line has to be designed so >> that the process doesn't leave any seam untoned. > >Good design means good design for production too. There should be no 'fiddly >bits' requiring excessive labour to 'fettle'. This all costs oodles of money. To recover those costs, each system has to have an inflated price that will pay for all costs plus some. > > >> >> Implement all the documentation and engineering >> >> so that anybody, who opens the cabinets, can close them while >> >> leaving no holes nor seams open. >> > >> >Dealt with by design again. >> >> There is more to design of manufacturing and assembling than >> laying out a circuit board by hand. > >Layout out a pcb is but one small part of the overall process. We know. /BAH |