Jihad needs scientists
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From: T Wake on 31 Jan 2007 12:05 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:epqcu0$8ss_001(a)s1000.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <2fa56$45bf5287$4fe71bb$1435(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: ><snip> >> >>I think eventually we'll discover they've found other ways >>to do the training they used to do in their camps. > > Nono. You forget that we've only eradicated one set > of camps whose protectors were located in a geographic > area the world calls Afghanistan. > >> It >>appears that one approach might be to run their people >>through standard military combat training at the expense of >>countries all around the world, then answer the call to jihad >>whenever they're directly called upon by whoever their handler >>is. > > Or a code word that is part of a news item. Or it could be > tasks that are to be done when a riot occurs. > ><snip> Can I ask a simple question? What is your "endstate?" By this, I mean at what point will you decide the mission is achieved and the war is over?
From: T Wake on 31 Jan 2007 12:26 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:15a45$45c09fcb$4fe73f1$10111(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... <snip> > > The difference is that you appear to be bothered by > religion. > Really? I am sorry I have created that impression. I am not "bothered" by religion in any sense I would understand the term. I am no more "bothered" by religion than I am bothered by stupidity or insanity. If people are religious, good for them. I care not which invisible friend they have or how they worship it. I am not like Richard Dawkins and I do not want to get rid of religion. I suspect I am bothered when religion is used as a reason or justification for something. I am "bothered" by logical fallacies and religion may cause people to commit many more of these. But I don't think I am bothered by "religion" in itself. I am not bothered by body odour unless some one forces their smell upon me, so I think it is pretty much the same thing.
From: T Wake on 31 Jan 2007 12:36 "Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message news:epqah4$lk3$3(a)blue.rahul.net... > In article <hdSdnf9Cup4xNyLYRVnyugA(a)pipex.net>, > T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >>"Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message >>news:epnlvs$df5$3(a)blue.rahul.net... > [....] >>> If they knew better, they wouldn't get a lot from me. If they are >>> simply >>> insane they would still get some. >> >>Fair one and I dont mean to dismiss or belittle your compassion towards >>people who (IMHO) are underserving of that compassion. > > I hadn't expected you would. Expect that you would even uderstand why I > feel a little sorry for Bush. He is after all a "post turtle". > > [.....] > >>> This would be a less mainstream religion so many people would have less >>> sympathy. If fact it really places you among the insane which don't >>> know >>> better. >> >>Which, I suppose is the argument for "forgiving" those who do it to curry >>favour in their invisible friend. > > Little do they know that God is actually a 14 year old boy playing > Simuniverse. They would do better at getting favor is they learned to > jump their bike over cars. > > >>> Now you have moved to imposing your priorities on them and not some >>> super >>> natural being's. You have inched your way to the line where evil begins. >>> I think you have crossed it but I can still see an argument against. >> >>I think it was crossed a fair while before that point, but I can see your >>argument. If the statement was modified to include the phrase "and my >>deity >>will condem ugly children to hell" would that stop being evil? > > If if they really believe that and that is their only reason for the > actions then yes. They have simply moving into the "insane area". OK. I suspect it will be hard for you do ever define some one as "evil" but I can see the value and reasoning behind your thought process. (especially as "evil" is normally used in religious contexts) >>>>It is common practice for each denomination of each religion to decry >>>>the >>>>others as not being proper believers. The way I see it is, if someone >>>>calls >>>>them selves "Christian" then they are. >>> >>> Well I call my self the most handsome man in the universe. :) >> >>I falsify that each time I have a shave.... :-) > > I solved that by one point by growing a beard. Then someone said "that > beard makes you look ugly". > > [....] > >>Very true. I still think it is interesting that certain religious trigger >>words will generate more of a response than non-religious offensive >>language. > > In some cases it is because there is more to talk about with regard to the > religious term. If you said "they should have the hind foot of a lamb > shoved up their nose until you hear swans sing", there may not have been > as much to discuss. There is always the logistics and practicalities to discuss, but it strikes me as a good plan so far!
From: T Wake on 31 Jan 2007 12:40 "Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message news:epqbb5$lk3$8(a)blue.rahul.net... > In article <waqdnY0zaPAsNiLYRVnyhQA(a)pipex.net>, > T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >>"Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message >>news:epnm4l$df5$4(a)blue.rahul.net... >>> In article <45BE8D83.976CEBA6(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> [.....] >>>>> Same question could be asked of Cain and Abel. Although every time I >>>>> try >>>>> asking priest or vicars they get annoyed with me. >>>> >>>>I just discovered he lived to be 950 yrs old too ! Maybe he was a space >>>>alien ? >>> >>> If you assume as I do that some confused months and years, he made it to >>> 79 which is old enough to get remarked on. >> >>This is close to special pleading. The holy text is specific enough at >>times, yet for something quite simple like days and nights it gets >>confused? > > If you assume it is mostly a record of what people thought were the facts, > then you can see how such things happen. When a story moves by word of > mouth between a culture that counts time in months and one that uses > years, the result can be such confusions. You see, I have no issue what so ever with saying that [insert holy book] is just the word of man passed down from generation to generation. The issue I have is with ascribing said words, the weight of being "the word of God." If people went round saying things like "genesis is something some one wrote thousands of years ago, believe it if you want" then I would never object to any of it :-)
From: T Wake on 31 Jan 2007 12:41
"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:bc7c7$45c0b3b1$49ecf7c$10549(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > Eeyore wrote: >> >> unsettled wrote: >> >> >>>Eeyore wrote: >>> >>>>T Wake wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>No. If you go around opening the cage door on rabid pitbulls, you >>>>>>>>>>are responsible for people getting bitten. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I'm glad you agree with me about keeping these types locked up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It doesn't have to mean physically locked up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With today's transportation technology, it does. There is no >>>>>>>Australia-type piece of land to keep them from making messes >>>>>>>in other peoples' backyards. >>>>>> >>>>>>It's a shame there isn't a suitable island somewhere really. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'd prefer to see Islamist trouble makers deported to a Muslim country >>>>>>rather than locked up. >>>>> >>>>>I doubt the Muslim country that was on the receiving end of these >>>>>nutjobs >>>>>would be too happy. >>>> >>>>Tricky one isn't it ? >>>> >>>>I wonder if there are any suitable unoccupied Hebridean islands ? >>> >>>Why do you suppose Gitmo? >> >> >> Since when was Cuba an unoccupied Island ? > > Get that recommended brain transplant already! > Cubans don't count. |