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From: Homer J Simpson on 2 Oct 2006 17:12 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:GreUg.962$NE6.715(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com... > Yes, and what details were left of out the other anecdote that hide the > "whole story"? Once you start to see the actual details, you can > understand rather than simply label and refuse to understand. I'm not > saying the other incident wasn't a case of racism, it may well have > been...I'm just saying that the anecdote, as written, did not "prove" that > racism is rampant in the US, as the poster appeared to intend. List some other countries where a man of one race was murdered men of another by being dragged to death behind a truck.
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 2 Oct 2006 17:13 mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > In article <efr7vg$sb7$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: >> In article <2p1Ug.16$45.152(a)news.uchicago.edu>, >> <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> [....] >>> Well, here is at least one thing you can say for Al Queda. They are >>> quite honest, no pretending. >> >> Maybe, they are just more effective liars. If you haven't caught them in >> a lie, it doesn't mean there weren't lies they got away with. >> > Oh, I'm sure there were some, but these are what is called "tactical > lies". With regard to principal matters, i.e. their goals, they're > quite forthcoming. Just as Hitler was. > >> The whole idea that they have anything to do with any form of Islam may >> well be a lie. > > I wouldn't quite say so. The only operational answer to the question > "what does a given religion say and command" is "what its adherents > believe it says and commands". Given enough preachers stating "this > is what the religion commands" and enough believers accepting it, > "this" becomes the reality. And they do have a lot to do with > Wahabism, which is the form of Islam common in the Saudi peninsula. > >> They can get lots of cannonfodder from the Muslim world >> may be the reason they try to appear Islamist. It may really be about >> power and control. > > One doesn't contradict the other one. People may be driven by the > desire for power and control *and* to really, truly believe in what > they're doing (to the point of willing to die for it), at the same time. > > In our "goody-goody" western upbringing we're conditioned to believe > that only "good people" (where "good" means "good by our standards") > are motivated by ideals while "bad" (again, by our standards) people > are motivated solely by selfish desires, for wealth, power and the > like. It ain't so. There is no doubt that many of the top Nazis > truly believed in the righteousness of their cause. When the day of > reckoning came, many of them preferred to kill themselves rather than > live in a world where their ideals have been defeated. Goebbels and > his wife poisoned themselves and all their kids as well. If that's > not an act of a true believer, I don't know what is. > > So, disconcerting as the notion may be, the people "on the other side" > may be just as commited to their ideals as we're to ours. Possibly > more so. It'll be a grave error to underestimate them and assume that > it is not so. > > Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, > meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same" If Hitler had won there wouldn't be a Muslim problem. Nor a Middle East one... Makes one pine for 'the good old days' eh?... -- Dirk http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress - The UK's only occult talk show Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM
From: lucasea on 2 Oct 2006 17:14 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:p0s2i29f9irau7e0l757mj96qfqormsp1r(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:45:32 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> >>"T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >>news:hJqdncTbXv4vw7zYRVnyrQ(a)pipex.net... >>> >>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >>> message news:cdg2i2d2f8fo15gn34hn1ajoplsrj5eu46(a)4ax.com... >>> >>>> What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that >>>> are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-) >>> >>> You are funny guy. Do you really have buddies or are they just made up >>> to >>> try and make you look good? >> >>I have to say most people I've known associated with OSU over the past 25 >>years are very hard-working, pretty much mind their own business, and >>don't >>go around threatening to beat somebody up just because they disagree on >>politics...in a word, mature. (Well, OK, there was that couch incident, >>but >>it was MICHIGAN, after all. Oh, and what I say doesn't apply to Maurice >>Clarett, either--he's an idiot.) > > You missed my "meat" pun ?:-) Umm...I guess I must have. My interpretation was that it meant "to make minced-meat out of". Please forgive (and correct) me if that is not what you meant. Eric Lucas
From: mmeron on 2 Oct 2006 17:16 In article <efr907$sb7$5(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: >In article <XxYTg.5$45.149(a)news.uchicago.edu>, > <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote: >[....] >>Criminals are people who are motivated by self interest and can be >>deterred by sufficiently reducing the chance of profit. > >No, criminals are people who commit crimes. Their have been some who have >done so for nonprofit and in a few cases nonselfish reasons. They are >still none the less criminals. Consider the example of someone who gives >LSD to minors because it "expands their mind". Such a person is still a >criminal. > >> And, they're >>parasites on the society, not trying to destroy it, just milk it. > >They may in many cases really be trying to destroy it. Simply "milking >it" may not be their aim at all. They may see themselves as trying to >reform it or improve it. > > >> The >>Islamic terrorists aim at destruction of the western society and >>you're not going to deter them because there is no deterring people >>who already decided that they don't care whether they live or die. > >Actually that is not true. Deterring people is about placing a treat >against what they value. You may be able to deter many of them with the >threat that if there is another attack, we will nuke Meca. > This, in fact, may work. We didn't get to this stage yet, but we may. But this level of deterrence is in the province of war, not police action. >They also very likely would fear being held in prison for life. > This may be so but the technique of carrying poison on yourself at all times, so as to prevent the possibility of being taken alive is known for a long time. BTW, the fact that their leaders didn't adapt it yet is encouraging, in a way. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: Eeyore on 2 Oct 2006 17:20
John Fields wrote: > We're not > here to appease a bunch of thugs who want nothing less than to take > over the world for their own perverted ends Since that won't happen what are you so worried about. You're legitimising the thugs by taking them so seriously. Graham |