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From: Jonathan Kirwan on 16 Oct 2006 14:26 On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15:33 +0100, Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:40:17 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan ><jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: > >>"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. We do >>not want a war. We do not now expect a war. This generation of >>Americans has already had enough -- more than enough -- of war and >>hate and oppression." >> >>-------------- >> >>How things change. > >Not really. Remember what they did to Kennedy. Point granted. Jon
From: David Brown on 16 Oct 2006 14:27 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:egqcsa$8qk_001(a)s961.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <45306AD8.B490EBFB(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> The rest of the world loathes the USA. They didn't used to. >> This is wrong. > > Yes, it absolutely *is* wrong for the rest of the world to hate the USA. We > do a lot of good for the world. We really should stop behaving in such a > way that makes other countries forget the good that we do. > Well said. It used to be the case that the good the USA did outweighed the bad in the eyes of the world (although that was at least partly because of what people hear about - I'd guess a higher proportion of the world's population know about USA meddling in central and south America now than they did at the time). Bush has single-handedly destroyed the American image so badly that even with a total reversal of foreign policy, it would take a generation to restore the goodwill and admiration that people used to have for the USA. It's a real shame, because most Americans are like most other people around the world, and are decent hard-working and likeable people. > >>> You've had to work hard to >>> get to that position. >> Why do you think that the first goal of the US is to be liked by everyone? > > That's a strawman. Our goal should be not to be hated by everyone. Do you > even understand the difference in your black-and-white worldview? > > It's called diplomacy, and we used to be reasonably good at it--getting what > we want, while at the same time maintaining enough respect in other > countries that we don't foment terrorism. > > Eric Lucas > >
From: T Wake on 16 Oct 2006 14:32 "Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote in message news:e3m5j2lple94veach42a3080hf6mfjuta9(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:03:54 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >><snip> >>> Originally, to defend Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan. I think it's time >>> to pull out of the European bases and let them pay for their own >>> defense, now that they don't need much of it. >> >>I agree. I cant see the US military being too happy at it. Forward staging >>bases are pretty useful. > > Europeans are already beginning to work out the details of a European, > as opposed to individual country, military with soldiers who swear > allegiance to the united countries and not the country they come from. > Yes? > > With the US behaving the way it is, I'd wonder if the Europeans would > bite at the chance to field an independent force sufficiently funded > to balance US behavior and provide the necessary 'encouragements' so > the US negotiates no longer as an unopposed bully. It would be a good idea, but I think the idea of a united Europe is still a way away. Geneva accords would need to be checked to see the legitimacy of soldiers who are fighting for a nation which is not their own. Still, I have no doubt that one day it will happen. The die hard Europhobe in my wants it to be _after_ my lifetime but I am sensible enough to realise this is an emotional response, not a logical or reasonable one. Generally speaking though, trying to forge nations without a common background is fraught with disaster.
From: T Wake on 16 Oct 2006 14:33 "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:ftp5j25pne12mbqmq9prbsfg9684a5hvvh(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:00:18 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan > <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> Gave us: > >> so >>the US negotiates no longer as an unopposed bully. > > > We do not, nor have we ever. Incorrect. When the school bully beat you up, if he turned round and said "I am not a bully" would that make him not be a bully? > Do try to get a clue. I doubt you have ever seen one.
From: David Brown on 16 Oct 2006 14:35
JoeBloe wrote: > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:34:38 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> Gave us: > >> "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message >> news:0jg2j2ls52jdfld7u8kk3r2pdveg54cqkn(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:08:59 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >>> >>>> We really should stop behaving in such a >>>> way that makes other countries forget the good that we do. >>>> >>> You have been listening to too much of the bullshit flying around >>> the world. >> You havent been listening to enough from outside your borders to make >> comments about world opinion. >> > Not your call, dipshit. What more evidence is required? Clearly there is no point in listening to a European regarding international opinion of the USA - Mr. JoeBloe of the USA knows far more about what the world thinks than anyone outside the USA could. |