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From: Jonathan Kirwan on 16 Oct 2006 15:50 On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:38:14 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Lloyd Parker wrote: > >> JoeBloe <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: >> >> > All of Islam (read the moslems) believe that all others that are not >> >moslem are "infidels" and that killing them is not, nor should not be >> >a crime. >> >> You are lying. > >I suspect it's what he learnt at Church. > >American Christian fundamentalists are as dangerous if not more so than their >Muslim counterparts. More so, because they (through political influence over the power of US action) have so much greater power by which they can act. (They are a very large, very well funded, and highly-catered minority here and they often pass around internal lists of who to vote for, as well.) Jon
From: T Wake on 16 Oct 2006 15:50 "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:c2a7j2h4rcipr1og3h146fbmukanvvvh0u(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:08:46 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Larkin wrote: >> >>> Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: >>> >>> >With the US behaving the way it is, I'd wonder if the Europeans would >>> >bite at the chance to field an independent force sufficiently funded >>> >to balance US behavior and provide the necessary 'encouragements' so >>> >the US negotiates no longer as an unopposed bully. >>> >>> But if it takes a multi-country concensus to act, they won't be >>> fielded in time to do much useful. You can't "balance US behavior" if >>> it takes a year of debating before deployment. >> >>We've been working on a 'rapid deployment force'. >> > > For, umm, how long? Well we have two, and have had ARRC for about 15 years. Why?
From: Eeyore on 16 Oct 2006 15:55 T Wake wrote: > "Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_(a)charter.net> wrote > > Eeyore wrote: > >> Jamie wrote: > >>>Eeyore wrote: > >>>>John Larkin wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>It's the countries we saved, specifically France and Britain, that are > >>>>>the most rabid critics. > >>>> > >>>>Nothing to do with the war. > >>>> > >>>>We simply have the experience of world affairs to see the faults that > >>>>need criticism. > >>>> > >>>>You might stop to think which 2 European countries had most to do with > >>>>early N America whilst your at it. > >>>> > >>>>Graham > >>> > >>>and what part did the UK play in this? was it something > >>>to do with a Boston Tea party? and the red coats landing > >>>on our shores? > >> > >> Who do you think created Boston and why does it have the name of an > >> English town? > >> > >> Graham > >> > > we were just being nice to you, so that we could make our big move!:) > > Yeah, New York, Washington, New Jersey, New Bedford, Salisbury, Richmond, > Rockingham, Southport, Fairfax, York, Lancaster, Newark, Hempstead, > Southampton, Bristol, Hartford, Warwick, Worcester (etc) weren't enough. You > had to name Boston "Boston" as well... St Albans even ! Graham
From: T Wake on 16 Oct 2006 15:57 "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:bee5j2djr7rmchavamidtcl99ad7vfvjjd(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:53:28 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Larkin wrote: >> >>> It's the countries we saved, specifically France and Britain, that are >>> the most rabid critics. >> >>Nothing to do with the war. > > I disagree, When you owe someone a great debt, that you can't repay, > the easiest course of action is to disparage them. Odd that the debt is about to have it's final payment. Eeyore does not owe the US anything, the UK government does and the UK government does not disparage the US. Shame that your statement is falsified, it was a good one. >> >>We simply have the experience of world affairs to see the faults that need >>criticism. > > Oh please. A thousand years of warfare, brutal colonial empires, > "total war" that transformed cities into firestorms, followed by 50 > years of passivity... that makes you experts on diplomacy? Less than 300 years of existence, total war that transformed cities into firestorms, brutal war in Asia and central america, Carpet bombing whole swathes of the jungle mixed in with 50 years of interference and, generally, making the situation worse.... that makes the US an expert in what, exactly? >>You might stop to think which 2 European countries had most to do with >>early N >>America whilst your at it. > > Certainly... the same two who, at some level, mourn their lost > influence and empires. The empires are gone forever, but the influence > could and should be restored, if Europe would get off its butt and > *help* The strawman is still a strawman. The US is unpopular in more than UK and French eyes. If anything, the US is _more_ popular in the UK than most other countries.
From: John Larkin on 16 Oct 2006 16:01
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:42:13 +0100, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:4533B227.6594D9D7(a)hotmail.com... >> >> >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >So WW2 is responsible for *everything* ???????? >>> >>> Did you think that a political climate that culiminated with >>> WWII went away when people quit fighting? War endings are >>> never like a FORTRAN program where the CALL to EXIT stops >>> everything. >> >> So everything also caused by WW1 then. > >Everything was caused by the Peloponnesian War. > Yes. History is a chaotic butterfly-effect process. Of course, chaotic processes are still causal, and a chaotic system can still be managed, pushed and made to move in some direction. It's just that the time scale of predictability shortens the more nonlinear and chaotic a system is. WWII shook up the entire world, and many of its effcts are still fairly obvious. The Boer War and the Peloponnesian war changes our world, but the causalities are too churned up now to be as obvious. As to why the US acts as the world's cop, WWII is pretty much still the answer. That could change with some pushing, which nobody seems up to so far. John |