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From: Eeyore on 31 Oct 2006 07:53 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > YD <ydtechHAT(a)techie.com> wrote: > > >Even so an insignificant fraction of all knowledgeable business > >people. Any business not having backups off-site shouldn't have been > >in business in the first place. > > You are assuming that the person who knows where and how to > retrieve it is still alive and able to think and remember. *The* person ! You are assuming that the disaster recovery plan was designed by total morons so that there's one key person who vanishes with the disaster. Just how stupid are you ? You're an ignorant troll with not even half a brain. Graham
From: Eeyore on 31 Oct 2006 07:58 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > > >Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and Japan. > >They cover everybody and spend less. > > And deliver less service over a longer period of time. This > is not the way medicine works to be effective. Mess prevention > is a key element in treating disease. The only timely treatment > these systems are good at is treating people who are well. Really ? I got an appointment @ 08:20 with a GP ( your MD ) for 10:50 and I would have gone direct to the Path Lab for a blood test ( ~ 300 yds away ) had it not been a Tuesday when it opens @ 12:30. I went direct to a Pharmacist and had taken my first dose of medication by 12:00 and it's feeling better already. Not good enough ? > That's not what medical insurance is supposed to do. Medical > insurance used to supply coverage for extraordinary circumstances. > Now it does the opposite. Maybe in your country. Graham
From: MooseFET on 31 Oct 2006 09:10 unsettled wrote: > Lloyd Parker wrote: > > > In article <ei4s7g$8qk_001(a)s787.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >>In article <1162139745.736188.86580(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > >> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: > >> > >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>>>In article <1161875197.735056.288140(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, > >>>> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > >><snip delusional expectations that Democrats never fulfilled> > >> > >> > >>>>The latest edict is forcing everybody to have > >>>>medical insurance; if you don't the rumor is that income > >>>>tax penalties will be imposed. > >>> > >>>The state pays for hospitals etc for those who can't pay. They don't > >>>want those who can't pay dieing in the streets so they have to fund > >>>their medical needs. There are some people who can afford to pay for > >>>their own health care who choose to spunge off the system. To > >>>discourage this, they are making those who can affort to have > >>>insurance, but refuse to get it, pay a little extra towards the care of > >>>those who can't afford it. It is a completely rational thing to do if > >>>you have the state paying for those who can't. > >>> > >>>If you don't do this you must either cut off the medical care to the > >>>poor or spread the cost of it evenly between the responsible and > >>>irresponsible. Neither of these options is better than the one taken. > >> > >>Massachusetts implemented this with car insurance. It is a mess > >>and people are trying to get rid of it. The fact that the Democrats > >>have implemented a similar structure for medical insurance (this > >>is NOT medical care) bodes ill for all, especially those who > >>cannot pay. The new thing that these idiots have implemented is > >>tying the payments to income taxes. They did this with sales > >>tax and nobody, absolutely nobody, has complained. Think about > >>a sales tax which is tied to your income level. I suspect, since > >>nobody bitched, these Democrats have done the same thing with > >>medical insurance. > >> > > > > > > Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and Japan. > > They cover everybody and spend less. > > How long a wait is there for a hip replacement? > > How long here in the US? > > Canadians regularly come to the US and pay for surgery > 100% out of pocket because the waiting period is too > long. Perhaps not in huge numbers, but enough to be > noticeable. Americans also often have to do without health care. Health care will always be rationed somehow. The cost of health care will rise to infinity without something rationing it. When you have a tooth ache, you rarely ask the dentist how much so the market doesn't work very well. In the US it is rationed by having the price of some things out of reach. If your HMO won't pay for the operation, you don't get the operation. Americans pay about 60% precent more for health car than canadians. They aren't getting their money's worth.
From: jmfbahciv on 31 Oct 2006 09:18 In article <4547474C.271412D(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> YD <ydtechHAT(a)techie.com> wrote: >> >> >Even so an insignificant fraction of all knowledgeable business >> >people. Any business not having backups off-site shouldn't have been >> >in business in the first place. >> >> You are assuming that the person who knows where and how to >> retrieve it is still alive and able to think and remember. > >*The* person ! Yes. One individual would do that work. > >You are assuming that the disaster recovery plan was designed by total morons so >that there's one key person who vanishes with the disaster. You are assuming that all businesses are corporations that have thousands of employees. I'm talking about small businesses who had at most a couple dozen employees, including the owner(s). > >Just how stupid are you ? Not as stupid as you are. > >You're an ignorant troll with not even half a brain. Wrong. Based on what you use for thinking, I don't have any brains. /BAH
From: MooseFET on 31 Oct 2006 09:25
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: [....] > >Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and Japan. > >They cover everybody and spend less. > > And deliver less service over a longer period of time. This > is not the way medicine works to be effective. SInce on the average Canadians live longer than Americans (79 vs 77), we can assume that health care is getting delivered quite well up there. > Mess prevention > is a key element in treating disease. Remember you said this I'll call it "A" > The only timely treatment > these systems are good at is treating people who are well. They seem to be doing better than the US with a lot less money for health care. > That's not what medical insurance is supposed to do. Medical > insurance used to supply coverage for extraordinary circumstances. > Now it does the opposite. Insurance is a business. Remember your statement "A" above. You were right and the insurance companies agree. It is far better to pay for some early visits to the doctors and some drugs than to wait for the problem to get worse. The insurance companies act the way they do because it is in their best interest to do so. If government provides the insurance, they sould model it after what is proven to work so they too should pay for the doctor visits. This is why it makes sense to cover normal doctor visits of the poor. |