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From: Lloyd Parker on 1 Nov 2006 03:24 In article <eia0fn$8ss_004(a)s880.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >In article <ei56p7$3mf$4(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>In article <ehvga6$8qk_008(a)s964.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>In article <45433F9F.F6808F39(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [Clinton] >>>>> >(C) >>>>> >Pressed the Saudi government to reduce support for the Wahhabis. This >>>>> >I remember because it was a near perfect failure. >>>>> >>>>> I don't call asking a government to reduce support for its brand >>>>> of religion an effective action. >>>> >>>>It's not *its brand of religion* at all ! >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahabbi >>>> >>>>> That's spitting into a gale >>>>> force wind with expectations that you'll hit the sidewalk >>>>> a hundred miles away. >>>> >>>>How would you deal with it then ? >>> >>>I'd establish a nation with a capitalistic, representative democracy >>>with a secular education system mandatory for all residents >>>smack dab in the middle of that mess. >>> >>>/BAH >> >>And then what, leave and hope they like it? > >The people already like it. All they need is to be left >alone, which Iran and Syria won't do, and get on with >doing business. > >/BAH A majority want the US out now. Heck, a majority think it's OK to attack US troops. The Sunnis don't want a gov't with the Shia in it, the Shiites don't want a gov't with the Sunnis in it, and the Kurds don't want anything to do with either of them.
From: Lloyd Parker on 1 Nov 2006 03:25 In article <eia0s7$8ss_007(a)s880.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >In article <ei7q0p$t6a$2(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>In article <6bc19$454692e6$4fe716b$813(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>Lloyd Parker wrote: >>> >>>> In article <ei224n$8ss_004(a)s765.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>snip >>> >>>>>>What excuse is there for 1/20th of the world's population using 1/4 of >the >>>>>>world's energy production ? >>> >>>>>You forgot to include the last datum; the goods and services produced. >>> >>>> Our GDP is about the same as Europe's, which uses a lot less energy. >>> >>>There's much more that these few items to consider. >>> >>>What is our population density. >> >>So? Do people regularly travel hundreds of miles? > >Yes. > >> If so, something's wrong. > >The US is a large country. You might try looking at a globe. >> Europe is large too. People don't drive solo 50 miles to work though. >>>What is the geographic size >>>(distribution systems matter.) What are the weather patterns? >>>Much of continental Europe has milder weather. >> >>Hello, Alps? > >Are your population centers located on the Alps? > Some -- Zurich, Geneva, Turin, for example -- are located in the mountains. >/BAH
From: Lloyd Parker on 1 Nov 2006 03:12 In article <e6fd$4547955c$49ecf26$7971(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Lloyd Parker wrote: >> In article <ee2c$454690aa$4fe716b$704(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>Lloyd Parker wrote: >>> >>> >>>>In article <ei4s7g$8qk_001(a)s787.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <1162139745.736188.86580(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <1161875197.735056.288140(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>><snip delusional expectations that Democrats never fulfilled> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>The latest edict is forcing everybody to have >>>>>>>medical insurance; if you don't the rumor is that income >>>>>>>tax penalties will be imposed. >>>>>> >>>>>>The state pays for hospitals etc for those who can't pay. They don't >>>>>>want those who can't pay dieing in the streets so they have to fund >>>>>>their medical needs. There are some people who can afford to pay for >>>>>>their own health care who choose to spunge off the system. To >>>>>>discourage this, they are making those who can affort to have >>>>>>insurance, but refuse to get it, pay a little extra towards the care of >>>>>>those who can't afford it. It is a completely rational thing to do if >>>>>>you have the state paying for those who can't. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you don't do this you must either cut off the medical care to the >>>>>>poor or spread the cost of it evenly between the responsible and >>>>>>irresponsible. Neither of these options is better than the one taken. >>>>> >>>>>Massachusetts implemented this with car insurance. It is a mess >>>>>and people are trying to get rid of it. The fact that the Democrats >>>>>have implemented a similar structure for medical insurance (this >>>>>is NOT medical care) bodes ill for all, especially those who >>>>>cannot pay. The new thing that these idiots have implemented is >>>>>tying the payments to income taxes. They did this with sales >>>>>tax and nobody, absolutely nobody, has complained. Think about >>>>>a sales tax which is tied to your income level. I suspect, since >>>>>nobody bitched, these Democrats have done the same thing with >>>>>medical insurance. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and Japan. >> >> >> >>>>They cover everybody and spend less. >>> >>>How long a wait is there for a hip replacement? >>> >>>How long here in the US? >>> >> >> >> Depends. Do you have insurance? What does it cover? >> >> >>>Canadians regularly come to the US and pay for surgery >>>100% out of pocket because the waiting period is too >>>long. Perhaps not in huge numbers, but enough to be >>>noticeable. >>> >>> >> >> No they don't. > >Excuse me, I'm not talking through my hat on this one. > >> Most Canadians, in survey after survey, are satisfied with >> their health insurance. > >Take note of the word "most." That's not 100%. It's a lot higher than surveys find Americans saying they're satisfied. > Among >those others who are not satisfied are some who >regularly come to the US for medical procedures. > > Very few.
From: Lloyd Parker on 1 Nov 2006 03:13 In article <b2519$45479762$49ecf26$8015(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Lloyd Parker wrote: > >> In article <4546F83D.F310F6AD(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>unsettled wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Lloyd Parker wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Europe uses a centralized payment for medical care, as do Canada and >> >> Japan. >> >>>>>They cover everybody and spend less. >>>> >>>>How long a wait is there for a hip replacement? >>>> >>>>How long here in the US? >>>> >>>>Canadians regularly come to the US and pay for surgery >>>>100% out of pocket because the waiting period is too >>>>long. Perhaps not in huge numbers, but enough to be >>>>noticeable. >>> >>>South Africa and India are also destinations offering medical services to ppl >>>here who are fed up with waiting. >>> >>>Waiting lists for some operations can be a problem here. >>> >>>Graham >>> >>> >> >> >> Not having operations because you can't afford them is also a problem here. >> >> The best medical care in the world is useless if you can't afford it. >> >> Plus, our system of employers providing health insurance puts them at a >> competitive disadvantage world-wide. > >You do realize that this final sentence of yours makes no >sense at all. Employers who provide insurance are *not* >at a competitive disadvantage worldwide. Yes they are. It costs GM and Ford over a thousand dollars per car. Including retiree health costs. > >Where there's national health insurance, which is universal >in any given country, where does the money come from? From >the unemployed, perhaps? > It's spread out over a larger pool. As I said, in western Europe, the per capita spending for health care is lower than in the US.
From: Lloyd Parker on 1 Nov 2006 03:15
In article <4af4d$454799a5$49ecf26$8069(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >Lloyd Parker appears to have an average US education. > >Lloyd Parker wrote: > >> In article <6bc19$454692e6$4fe716b$813(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>Lloyd Parker wrote: >>> >>> >>>>In article <ei224n$8ss_004(a)s765.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>snip >>> >>> >>>>>>What excuse is there for 1/20th of the world's population using 1/4 of the >>>>>>world's energy production ? >>> >>>>>You forgot to include the last datum; the goods and services produced. >>> >>>>Our GDP is about the same as Europe's, which uses a lot less energy. >>> >>>There's much more that these few items to consider. >>> >>>What is our population density. > >> So? Do people regularly travel hundreds of miles? If so, something's wrong. > >Goods have to. How much of your food is locally >produced? Which is a big problem, for safety, for energy use, etc. Buy local. >Then consider the origination point for >all the other stuff you buy. > Why should this be any different from the EU? >>>What is the geographic size >>>(distribution systems matter.) What are the weather patterns? >>>Much of continental Europe has milder weather. > >> Hello, Alps? There're mountains all over; few large plains. Check >> Scandanavian weather and geography too. > >Blather, blather, and more maningless blather. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream > >That's a good place to start learning something about >the world beyond your walls. > Which doesn't make Scandanavia mild. Nor the Baltic nations. Nor Switzerland. >>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>and other places in the world to ours. > >>>People who question our consumption levels by comparison to >>>the rest of the world really need to experience the living >>>conditions in those other places. > |