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From: T Wake on 3 Nov 2006 09:23 "Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:4gimk2dt9nug7ctubh3joi6of4gfddtht9(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:30:34 -0000, the renowned "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:eia884$8qk_011(a)s880.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <b0b87$454896c9$4fe760b$14253(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >>>>>> >>>>>>What !!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>Are you being funny ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>>>> to shop. >>>> >>>>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >>>>the Mall of America in Minnesota. Straight in, shop all day, >>>>get back on the plane the same day and go back. >>> >>> I hadn't heard that one. >> >>Neither had I. It seems unusual for people to fly over 10 hours each way >>to >>go shopping. The prices there really must be rock bottom. >> >>> I suspect it would be the place to >>> go with everything in the same building. >> >>Strangely, we have things like that in Europe as well. > > Wow. Do any Americans ever make the trek to Europe to shop? > Obviously not - they already have all the goods and services over there. It is strange though, how I was out in Dorchester yesterday and there were actually Americans looking round the shops. One even went into a book shop to buy a book. Maybe they don't sell books in America........
From: lucasea on 3 Nov 2006 09:23 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:454B41A0.D3070554(a)hotmail.com... > > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> I am not talking about oil becoming uncompetitive. I am talking >> >> about oil suddenly becoming unavailable. That should be a >> >> scenario considered by all heads of state, not just the US. >> > >> >It's not going to happen short of nuclear war. >> >> Sigh! That will happen unless steps are taken to prevent the >> mess. > > And the best way to avoid a 'mess' is for the USA to get its nose out of > stuff > that it has no place interfering with. If I were like her and played the gender card at every possible opportunity, I would probably say something like "well, she's a woman, she doesn't understand about not sticking her nose where it doesn't belong--and that doing so frequently causes more messes than it solves." But I respect most women, so I won't say that. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 3 Nov 2006 09:26 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eifhsi$8qk_013(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <cIadnRExj-EqqtbYnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:eia884$8qk_011(a)s880.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <b0b87$454896c9$4fe760b$14253(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >>>>>> >>>>>>What !!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>Are you being funny ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>>>> to shop. >>>> >>>>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >>>>the Mall of America in Minnesota. Straight in, shop all day, >>>>get back on the plane the same day and go back. >>> >>> I hadn't heard that one. >> >>Neither had I. It seems unusual for people to fly over 10 hours each way >>to >>go shopping. The prices there really must be rock bottom. > > Oh, I've heard of people going to Califoria (from Asia) and > Boston and NYC from Europe to buy stuff. I had not realized > that these shoppers had discovered that Mall. Wow. I am really, honestly, amazed by this. I can not speak for all people. I can not speak for all Europeans. I can't even speak for all Brits. However, most people I know would not fly to the US simply to shop. When they do go to the US on holiday (for example, I have relatives in New York and often go to Florida on holiday) they will shop for things. When people I know go to [Insert European Destination Here] on Holiday, they will often shop for things as well. Isn't it strange. Also, we actually do have shopping malls here in Europe. What a wonderful world we live in.
From: MooseFET on 3 Nov 2006 09:28 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <1162305481.242566.314800(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: > > [... insurance ...] > >The companies will set the rates according to what they see as their > >best interests. This does not ensure that the people who drive well > >get a lower rate. Gathering that information and managing the pricing > >is expensive. It is far less costly just to make up rules including > >zip code[1] and years driving etc and use those. Accidents are way too > >random of events to base insurance on. > > Accidents are not random in Mass. I assume that you are refering to the study that showed that no matter where in the world an auto accident happens, at least one of the drivers will be from Boston. There is some doubt about that study now. It seems that their sample size was too small. It now appears that people from Boston are only at fault in 97.2% of the worlds traffic accidents. [....] > Insurance is why doctors are going out of business and getting forced > to work for a conglomerate. I no longer know how long it takes for > Mass. pay out the Medicare bills. During the Dukakis years, it > was 9 months to two years. Yes, private insurance companies do cause these problems too. I don't see why you are bringing that subject up however. [....] > >> Where is the monies for that medical tax going to end up? > >> It will not be spent on real things. > > > >You have concluded that but I would like to see a cite on it. Do you > >have any evidence that the government is less efficient at taking in > >money and paying for health care with than the private sector. > > Yes, Medicare and Medicaid in the US. If these two programs which > are single payer don't work, why would making them be the only > insurance payer in the country work? Objection: Your question assumes facts not in the evidence. Medicare and Medicaid have been shown to work. > For that matter, why should > we allow medical insurance payouts be a federal responsibility? That > is undermining our Constitution by transferring power to the federal > government rather than keeping it in each State. No, it could be a transfer of responsibility without a tranfer of power. Right now there is the FDA which is not spoken of in the US constitution. You already have federal regulation of medical practice. There is no need to have it be a federal program if the states can do it, which I suspect they can. Hawaii seems to be making a go of it. A few other states are experimenting around with it. > >The > >standard is not no waste. The standard is compared to the alternative. > > Private health insurance companies spend about 20% on things that > >aren't health care. Medicare spends about 3% on overhead. > > How do you figure? I don't "figure". I take well known existing numbers from careful studies that have been done. > First reimbursements are munched by paperwork > at the fed level. Then reimbursements are munched by paperwork > at the state level. There is no competition. So there is all > incentive to do things the most expensive way. It's a monopoly. All that inefficiency is still about 3%. The private insurance is still 20%. Private insurance does worse than government run ones. The examples of places such as Canada and the EU bare this out. They gave a huge government bureaucracy causing gawd knows how much waste but somehow the US's private insurance system manages to cost 66% more for care that isn't as good. > It will make it easy to tell the electorate to do a certain > something or they won't get their flu shots, or other kinds > of treatment. All choice of medical care is taken completely > out of the hands of the patient. Yes, I do worry about letting folks like Ken Mehlman near the health care issue.
From: T Wake on 3 Nov 2006 09:29
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eifhpd$8qk_012(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <454B3961.9C2B91B9(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>T Wake wrote: >> >>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>unsettled wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>> >>> and other places in the world to ours. >>> >> >>> >>What !!!! >>> >> >>> >>Are you being funny ? >>> > >>> > No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>> > to shop. >>> >>> Do you take this to imply there is a *shortage* of the goods and >>> services > in >>> Europe? >> >>I was hoping to discover this too. >> >>Maybe BAH can enlighten us ? > > I don't know about now... > > People would fly over to buy computers, blue jeans, tooth paste, > books, condiments. There was something else that was very odd > but I can't remember what it was. These items were cheaper, if > available for sale in European stores. Most were not available > and could not be ordered. Ok, over the last 15 years, I have been to the US at least once a year on holiday and normally several times on business. Other than branding differences there hasn't been anything which you can buy in the US which you can not get in the UK. The key part is the cost, the USD-GBP exchange rate makes buying things in the US very economical - if you can evade any customs issues when you return to the UK. > Buying the stuff while you were in > your country was not allowed but you could go over and buy the > stuff as a tourist. You have conflated Soviet Russia with Europe. > These restrictions may have to be dropped now that there is > online shopping available. I think you are talking about some fantasy time, 60 imaginary years ago. |