From: Eeyore on


T Wake wrote:

> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > T Wake wrote:
> >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> >> > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at
> >> >>the Mall of America in Minnesota. Straight in, shop all day,
> >> >>get back on the plane the same day and go back.
> >> >
> >> > I hadn't heard that one.
> >>
> >> Neither had I. It seems unusual for people to fly over 10 hours each way
> >> to go shopping. The prices there really must be rock bottom.
> >>
> >> > I suspect it would be the place to
> >> > go with everything in the same building.
> >>
> >> Strangely, we have things like that in Europe as well.
> >
> > Maybe BAH and unsettled haven't heard of Bluewater ?
>
> I suspect the set of things in Europe they have no idea about (other than
> some half understood anecdotal commentary) is very large.
>
> Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Bluewater.. but then I hate shopping.

Me neither. It seems like a huge waste of time for the most part.

Thank goodness for online shopping.

Graham


From: lucasea on

"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
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> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:eifeh1$8qk_004(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>>
>>>What counts with measuring the effectiveness of any social program
>>>is the individual stories, not the cut and dried percentages
>>>of service delivery counts.
>>
>>
>> And yet you prefer to believe impersonal books when learning about what
>> Islam is all about, instead of talking to actual Muslims. Your hypocrisy
>> on this issue suggests that you don't intrinsically prefer one or the
>> other (anecdotes or data), but rather in any given situation, you just
>> pick and choose what you believe by how well it supports your assumptions
>> and preconceived notions. Nice.
>
> How many Muslims have you spoken with?

Something on the order of a couple hundred, throughout my adult life.


> How many of them were
> militants?

Irrelevant. We were talking about the Muslim culture, not extremist
culture.


> If you don't believe people of your own culture,
> why would you believe people who belong to a culture so
> alien that you can never hope to understand it?

Several reasons.

1) Many people of my own culture have no experience actually meeting and
knowing people from other cultures, so their "knowledge" of those other
cultures is at best third-hand.
2) I know several good reasons for people of my own culture to lie (or, more
likely, to completely fail to understand the truth)...my president and his
political party, who are losing their grip on power in this country, and are
using the basest emotion, fear, to try to regain it.

By your reasoning, I should not learn French from a Frenchman, since
somebody of my own culture who does not speak French at all is in a much
better position to be trusted to teach me the "real" French, and not some
made-up language to trick me into believing I've learned French.

Yeah, believe whatever you like. And you accuse *me* of following lemmings
(although about what, I cannot figure out....)

Eric Lucas


From: Eeyore on


T Wake wrote:

> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > Oh, I've heard of people going to Califoria (from Asia) and
> > Boston and NYC from Europe to buy stuff. I had not realized
> > that these shoppers had discovered that Mall.
>
> Wow. I am really, honestly, amazed by this.
>
> I can not speak for all people. I can not speak for all Europeans. I can't
> even speak for all Brits. However, most people I know would not fly to the
> US simply to shop. When they do go to the US on holiday (for example, I have
> relatives in New York and often go to Florida on holiday) they will shop for
> things.
>
> When people I know go to [Insert European Destination Here] on Holiday, they
> will often shop for things as well.
>
> Isn't it strange.
>
> Also, we actually do have shopping malls here in Europe.
>
> What a wonderful world we live in.

I believe there may even be shopping malls in China now too !

I wonder if BAH and unsettled still think the Chinese all go round still in Mao
style suits ?

Graham


From: Eeyore on


T Wake wrote:

> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>
> There are *some* areas where there are different goods / services but there
> is certainly no shortage of selection.

Cheese ! God knows how many hundreds you can get here. The Americans certainly
don't have the same wealth of choice. Wine probably too - and BEER ! We're well
off for all of these.

Graham


From: unsettled on
Eeyore wrote:

>
> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Have you already forgotten the reason for the Arab Embargo ?
>>
>>Yes. I don't remember all the details.
>
>
> It was because of western backing of Israel. Sound familiar ? Truth is that
> Israel is the number one messmaker in the region.

Now I know for sure you're a displaced camel jockey.