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From: lucasea on 3 Nov 2006 13:56 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:5d1d4$454b8938$4fe77ae$1746(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > >> I don't believe that. Gas lines aren't as common as electirc poles. > > He has no idea. Yes, as a matter of fact I do--I lived in the Northeast--"heating oil country"--for about half of my adult life. But more importantly, I have (and have presented) data on the use of fuel oil. Makes your anecdote of one (or ten...or a hundred...or even a thousand) person worthless. > There's no natural gas available where I live. > Much of the country doesn't have it. My son uses a heat pump > with resistive heat backup, and he lives in a densely populated > city which has no natural gas. Regardless of your anecdote of one person, the *data* are that there are 8.1 million homes in the US that use fuel oil for heating. That's only about 5 % of the total number of US households. Your son is just one of those 8.1 million. >>>and much of that in older homes that can benefit from improved >>>insulation, if the economic benefit is there. The rest is domestically >>>supplied--either natural gas or already electric. Add to this the fact >>>that much of the oil home heating will be taken up by natural gas, since >>>it is much cheaper in most markets. And add to this the fact that it is >>>in the summer, not the winter, that the electric grid is stretched to >>>anywhere near its limit. >> >> >> No, it's not. Ours is stretched in the winter too. If everybody >> goes to electric heating, there will black outs during the winter. >> >> >>>The need for more electric plants to supply the increase in electric home >>>heating would be minimal. >> >> >> Around here there oodles of oil delivery companies. So we must >> be all that 5%..which, of course, is nonsense. > > Much of the northeast depends on heating oil. Yes, 6.8 million homes. Considering the populations of New England, New York and New Jersey, that is about 32% of the households in that region. > Levittown NY and > similar densely populated regions are totally dependent on oil > for heat, both space heating as well as domestic HW which is > created using a coil immersed in the boiler. Those folks run > their boiler all year round. Yes, I used to own one of those in New Jersey. Then I got smart and had the gas company (for free) run a pipe from the natural gas pipe under the street out front, to my home, then got myself a gas furnace and gas hot water heater. My heating/hot water bill dropped by about a factor of 2. > I use a petroleum product to heat my home, my hot water > and cooking. It is called LPG. Most people in my region > are using propane. My closest neighbor uses propane as > backup heat source, relying primarily on wood for space > heating (cut and split their own) but cooking and domestic > hot water are electric. And all sources in that paragraph are domestically supplied, so are a non-issue as regards dependence on the Middle East. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 3 Nov 2006 13:58 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:454B8F8F.58262328(a)hotmail.com... > > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >T Wake wrote: >> >> >> Do you take this to imply there is a *shortage* of the goods and >> >> services >> >> in Europe? >> > >> >I was hoping to discover this too. >> > >> >Maybe BAH can enlighten us ? >> >> I don't know about now... >> >> People would fly over to buy computers, blue jeans, tooth paste, >> books, condiments. > > To the USA ? > > Well..... we do actually have computers here. In fact the Dell brand sells > well > here too. > http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs > > I do know that there are some 'cuts' of jeans that may only be available > in the > USA due to perceived national fashion differences but there's no shortage > of > them over here nor toothpaste, books or condiments for that matter. Despite the reality of the situation, the thought of flying to the USA to buy some pepper is still amusing. Also this URL highlights the current reality: http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Condiments.html
From: lucasea on 3 Nov 2006 14:03 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:38df5$454b8f44$4fe77ae$1746(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > > It is amazing how "low class mass production public education" > comes blasting through in your arguments. If you apply that moniker to MIT, then I'm fine with it, you can think whatever you want. > You're still following those lemmings. And what lemmings would those be that you're imagining? Eric Lucas
From: unsettled on 3 Nov 2006 14:04 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:eifeh1$8qk_004(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > >>What counts with measuring the effectiveness of any social program >>is the individual stories, not the cut and dried percentages >>of service delivery counts. > > > And yet you prefer to believe impersonal books when learning about what > Islam is all about, instead of talking to actual Muslims. Your hypocrisy on > this issue suggests that you don't intrinsically prefer one or the other > (anecdotes or data), but rather in any given situation, you just pick and > choose what you believe by how well it supports your assumptions and > preconceived notions. Nice. How many Muslims have you spoken with? How many of them were militants? If you don't believe people of your own culture, why would you believe people who belong to a culture so alien that you can never hope to understand it?
From: unsettled on 3 Nov 2006 14:09
T Wake wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ei4sfp$8qk_003(a)s787.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > >>In article <cb1d3$45452d8a$4fe72af$23817(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>snip >>> >>> >>>>Nothing about annihilation of western civilization is amusing. >>>>This is serious business and it will take another three massive >>>>killings before the insane politicians are thrown out and >>>>ones who are willing to deal with problem constructively are >>>>put back in power. >>> >>>Those who persist in denying the announced and obvious >>>end up driving the defensive system towards an eventual >>>dictatorial authority. >>> >>>Hitler's Mein Kampf was not a secret. The agenda was >>>mapped out in advance. Militant Islam has been advocating >>>against the west for decades. Despite the protestations >>>of some, it is a religion spread by violence and has been >> >>>from the day that Mohammed decided he was heading up a >> >>>new religion. >>> >>>If we look at British conduct in the face of Hitler's >>>growing menace, we see the same sorts of appeasement >>>as is being promoted in these related threads. In the >>>case of Britain, they eventually put Churchill in >>>charge. He was one of those "last choice" sorts of >>>men that the appeasers disdained. They historically >>>worked hard to derail him but there came a moment >>>of truth when they were finally unable to deny the >>>realities facing them any longer, and needed a >>>strong man to drive them towards victory. By that >>>time they were in trouble, so America was pulled >>>into the fray, with its own dictator style president >>>at the helm replaced eventually (after death) by a >>>sleeper sort of a strong man who didn't hesitate to >>>use the atomic bomb to end the Pacific war. >>> >>>How many today would have the nerve to actually use a >>>nuclear weapon? Certainly none of the appeasers here >>>want that to happen, but by their actions they're >>>driving the system towards the point where other >>>options will cease to exist. >>> >>>Unfortunately, with the sorts of "good human beings" >>>we're encountering in this newsgroup, we'll probably >>>evenually get to the point where we'll have to use >>>our own final solution to the problem by using nukes. >>> >>>History has taught us that it is a much smaller mess >>>if you take care of business and protect yourself >>>early in the game, rather than late. Keep on ignoring >>>all of history folks. I'll be investing in uranium >>>futures. >> >>Thank you. You write better than I do. Very nicely written. > > > It may be well written in some sense, yet is it far from an accurate > account. > > Take the time to dissect it then. Was Hitler's Mein Kanpf a secret? Haven't they shown you the Muslim riots all over the world over the Pope's comment and the cartoon? Haven't they showed you interviews where the Afghan militant Muslim's parting words in pretty good English were, "Sooner or later we will behead America!" Why was Churchill trotted out to take the reins of government *only* after UK was in serious trouble? Let's hear your version. I could use a good laugh. |