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From: Eeyore on 4 Nov 2006 09:02 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >unsettled wrote: > > >> So the arabs start another war, they lose, *again*, then > >> in a fit of pique punish the US, and here some 30+ years > >> later you're supporting the Arab posture? > >> > >> Pathological all right. You're a camel jockey all right! > > > >Did I say anywhere that it was 'fair' or 'equitable' ? > > > >I'm simply pointing out the factual reasons for the 1973 oil embargo. > > > >Do you want to rewrite history ? > > Now, think about an Islam decision that uses a similar tactic > which involves a shutdown of all oil shipments. Since there is no central authority in Islam such an idea is moot at best. Graham
From: Eeyore on 4 Nov 2006 09:07 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > It's a flat rate for any course of one single > >drug which might be from 7 days to say 3 months. So if your treatment needs 2 > >drugs you pay ?6.50 ea for them. > > > >> What do they really cost? > > > >I've no idea. Usually more but not always since the NHS > >makes extensive use of > >generics which they ( and the pharmacists ) can buy in > >bulk and get a good price on. > > This means that you don't have access to any improved drugs. No. Where did I say we used generics *exclusively* ? Please *READ* what I wrote. The NHS makes extensive use of generics where *suitable* to save costs. > The patent period, IRRC, in the US is 20 years. With your > drug plan, you have to use 20-year old medical drug technology. No. Read what I wrote. > >> From what > >> I've read about UK social programs a lot of real costs are hidden > >> because a lot is subsidized. > > > >That's the whole point. If your drugs cost say ?200 you still only pay ?6.50. > >This means good health care is affordable for all regardless of income. > > So who is paying for the rest of the cost? $200-$6.50=$193.50 > (I don't have a pound sign so I'll use dollars). It comes from NHS funding. It's a shockingly socialist concept isn't it but even the political right here recognise how well it works. The simple truth is that the NHS has transformed health care in the UK compared to its pre-WW2 status. Life expectancy here is in fact a few years longer than the USA for example. > >The appointment with the doctor or consultant is free of course since they're > >employed by the NHS ( actually these days the local Primary Care Trust ). > > Just because you don't pay for it does not mean there are no costs > for that delivery of service. Somebody is paying for suppplies, > labor, footprint, cleaning, disposing, etc. Yes. The tax paying public does through National Insurance contributions and general taxation. We like it that way since everyone gets covered. It's a very equitable system. Graham
From: Eeyore on 4 Nov 2006 09:17 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >T Wake wrote: > >> > >> >> Do you take this to imply there is a *shortage* of the goods and > >> >> services in Europe? > >> > > >> >I was hoping to discover this too. > >> > > >> >Maybe BAH can enlighten us ? > >> > >> I don't know about now... > >> > >> People would fly over to buy computers, blue jeans, tooth paste, > >> books, condiments. > > > >To the USA ? > > Yes. > > > >Well..... we do actually have computers here. In fact the Dell brand sells > > well here too. > >http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs > > They didn't use to be sold over there. You think so ? Like since when ? What Brands ? Just Dell ? I'll tell you what, I've got some old PC magazines kicking around. I'll post some covers in a.b.s.e and you can tell me what it is we couldn't buy - OK ? > I imagine that network > shopping is starting to change the need to fly over to the US > to get stuff. There's never been any *need*. Manythings may be cheaper in the USA bit the cost of aflight wil quickly cancel out any advantage there. > >I do know that there are some 'cuts' of jeans that may only be available in > > the > >USA due to perceived national fashion differences but there's no shortage of > >them over here nor toothpaste, books or condiments for that matter. > > For the toothpaste and condiments it was particular brands. Such as ? I can't say I fret hugely over my toothpaste brand actually. And the choice of condiments here is really quite excellent. > For the > books, friends of ours would buy $500 worth of paperbacks because > they couldn't get those titles at home. You have to be kidding. Have you never heard of an ISBN ? > >> There was something else that was very odd > >> but I can't remember what it was. These items were cheaper, if > >> available for sale in European stores. Most were not available > >> and could not be ordered. Buying the stuff while you were in > >> your country was not allowed but you could go over and buy the > >> stuff as a tourist. > > > >Not allowed ? What do you mean exactly ? > > Import bans, taxes, etc. I never understood all of this > but it seemed to be tied to unions and headwedged thinking. " I never understood all of this ". It shows. Import bans.... Hmmmmm... nope can't thinkof any of those either. > >> These restrictions may have to be dropped now that there is > >> online shopping available. > > > >There never have been any restrictions on what you can buy since rationing > >from WW2 ended in the 50s. > > It didn't end in the UK. Rationing here ended in the 50s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom_during_and_after_World_War_II > Thatcher was still removing vestiges of > WWII price and labor controls when she was PM. Cite please. > >You're a funny old girl you know ! > > Once in a great while I'm funny. However, I'm old all the time. You're certainly a perplexingly peculiar source of light entertainment. I never realised ppl were *quite* so ill-informed. You've taken my perception of the USA to an entirely new level. Graham
From: unsettled on 4 Nov 2006 09:19 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <454B8CBB.216F8FE1(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: snip >>>What do they really cost? >> >>I've no idea. Usually more but not always since the NHS >>makes extensive use of >>generics which they ( and the pharmacists ) can buy in >>bulk and get a good price on. > This means that you don't have access to any improved drugs. > The patent period, IRRC, in the US is 20 years. With your > drug plan, you have to use 20-year old medical drug technology. Interestingly people like Eeyore also tend to believe that new drugs are simply riped off older drugs, so all is well in their little world. >>>From what >>>I've read about UK social programs a lot of real costs are hidden >>>because a lot is subsidized. >>That's the whole point. If your drugs cost say ?200 you still only pay ?6.50. >>This means good health care is affordable for all regardless of income. > So who is paying for the rest of the cost? $200-$6.50=$193.50 > (I don't have a pound sign so I'll use dollars). The public, of course. >>The appointment with the doctor or consultant is free of course since they're >>employed by the NHS ( actually these days the local Primary Care Trust ). > Just because you don't pay for it does not mean there are no costs > for that delivery of service. Somebody is paying for suppplies, > labor, footprint, cleaning, disposing, etc. But to a socialist, whatever isn't obviously visible to them doesn't exist. Must have something to do with Europe's "brain drain" of recent decades. When you check out UK's total tax structure the inefficiencies become obvious. Sales tax alone is 17%, they call it VAT. We, in the US, would consider their annual taxes on automobiles outrageous, especially when coupled to their absurd gasoline taxes. But then they tout their "free" national health care. Heck, they're too poor after paying all their taxes to be able to afford much of anything, and in the end they're paying more for health care than we do, but it isn't visible to them because the money trail is through government. Talk about pollution? I smelled coal fires in a residential district in August 2002. I haven't smelled coal in the US in residential use since the 1950's. BAH you asked about pollution and wood fireplaces? They don't have much wood left in UK, but they do have plenty of coal They aren't bashful about burning it without pollution controls.
From: Eeyore on 4 Nov 2006 09:27
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > > >When people I know go to [Insert European Destination Here] on Holiday, they > >will often shop for things as well. > > > >Isn't it strange. > > > >Also, we actually do have shopping malls here in Europe. > > > >What a wonderful world we live in. > > Think about how mobile people how work are. When they > go visit a foreign for their jobs, they experience new > foods, products, etc. They bring back enough and their > neighbors see the stuff or taste it. So now they would > like to have some. The next time a friend of theirs goes > to that country, he a grocery list. Eventually when the > authors of the list go on vacation, part of the constraint > of their plans is go somewhere so they can stock up on X > product. There's no real need to do that in the UK since we have the ingredients for most world cooking available in the shops here. That's just one aspect of having such a broad mix of races living here. Heck, I've even eaten traditional Zambian style cooking here ! Popular restaurants here include Chinese, Indian, Italian, Spanish, Greek, Turkish, Thai, Japanese, French, Moroccan etc etc ..... There's even Swedish food available ( at Ikea ! ) and you can find Swiss cooking !!! of all things at the Swiss Cente in London. More 'exotic' eating out ( rather fewer restaurants ) include Russian and Hungarian. Graham |