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From: Yusuf B Gursey on 29 Dec 2009 04:28 On Dec 29, 4:17 am, Joachim Pense <s...(a)pense-mainz.eu> wrote: > PaulJK (in sci.lang): > > > > > > > garabik-news-2005...(a)kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote: > >> In sci.lang Peter T. Daniels <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > >>> Is "continent" a technical term in geography? > > >> Dunno. It is, however, widely used. > > >>> Was "planet" a technical term in astronomy? > > >> Yes. Not formally defined (except by enumeration), though. > > > I don't know about modern astronomy, but in the old days > > a "planet" was a well established term for all "wanderers". > > They were all heavenly bodies (apart from the Sun?) that kept > > constantly changing their position on the celestial globe. Even > > today my Cartes du Ciel lists the Moon as one of the planets. > > pjk > > Was the sun always excluded, or did it count as a planet, too? in the Earth-centered Ptolemaic system, it was included as a planet. the "planetary week" names includes the Sun (i.e. Sunday) > > Joachim
From: Yusuf B Gursey on 29 Dec 2009 05:09 On Dec 29, 4:17 am, Joachim Pense <s...(a)pense-mainz.eu> wrote: > PaulJK (in sci.lang): > > > > > > > garabik-news-2005...(a)kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote: > >> In sci.lang Peter T. Daniels <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > >>> Is "continent" a technical term in geography? > > >> Dunno. It is, however, widely used. > > >>> Was "planet" a technical term in astronomy? > > >> Yes. Not formally defined (except by enumeration), though. > > > I don't know about modern astronomy, but in the old days > > a "planet" was a well established term for all "wanderers". > > They were all heavenly bodies (apart from the Sun?) that kept > > constantly changing their position on the celestial globe. Even > > today my Cartes du Ciel lists the Moon as one of the planets. > > pjk > > Was the sun always excluded, or did it count as a planet, too? > > Joachim as I said in previous post, in the Ptolmaic Earth-centered system the Sun was included as a planet. and the "planetary week" includes days for the Sun (Sunday) and the Moon (Monday)
From: Yusuf B Gursey on 29 Dec 2009 05:22 sorry for the multiple postings in sci.math, I thought I was posting to the other NG's and thought soemthing went wrong with the osting. all original NG's restored. On Dec 29, 4:17 am, Joachim Pense <s...(a)pense-mainz.eu> wrote: > PaulJK (in sci.lang): > > > > > > > garabik-news-2005...(a)kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote: > >> In sci.lang Peter T. Daniels <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > >>> Is "continent" a technical term in geography? > > >> Dunno. It is, however, widely used. > > >>> Was "planet" a technical term in astronomy? > > >> Yes. Not formally defined (except by enumeration), though. > > > I don't know about modern astronomy, but in the old days > > a "planet" was a well established term for all "wanderers". > > They were all heavenly bodies (apart from the Sun?) that kept > > constantly changing their position on the celestial globe. Even > > today my Cartes du Ciel lists the Moon as one of the planets. > > pjk > > Was the sun always excluded, or did it count as a planet, too? as I said in previous post, in the Ptolmaic Earth-centered system the Sun was included as a planet. and the "planetary week" includes days for the Sun (Sunday) and the Moon (Monday) > > Joachim
From: Yusuf B Gursey on 29 Dec 2009 05:24 On Dec 29, 5:05 am, Yusuf B Gursey <y...(a)theworld.com> wrote: > On Dec 29, 4:46 am, "benli...(a)ihug.co.nz" <benli...(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 29, 7:00 pm, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > > > On Dec 28, 3:35 pm, Adam Funk <a24...(a)ducksburg.com> wrote: > > > >> On 2009-12-27, Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > > > >>> On Dec 27, 2:43 pm, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> insist on forming scientific vocabulary from native stock. I have the > > > >>>> impression that German uses words from native stock where English would > > > >>>> use a Latin/Greek word, though I don't know German. > > > > >>> Then how did you form that impression? > > > > >>> There was a Nazi policy to expunge Classical morephemes from the > > > >>> German language and coin "native" words, but people don't say > > > >>> "Fernsprecher" (distant-speaker) instead of "Telefon." > > > > >> "Fernsehen" and "Fernseher" have succeeded, however. > > > > > Did they replace something? The thing didn't exist (outside one or two > > > > urban centers in the US -- it was demonstrated at the NY World's Fair, > > > > but then something happened that intervened in its commercial > > > > development) in Nazi time. > > > > Actually, it did exist in Nazi time. > > > AFAIR, the first public broadcast was one of the Hitler's speeches. > > > This broadcast to only a few of his faithful is claimed to be > > > the first public broadcast ever. > > > pjk > > remember the film / novel "Contact" (Carl Sagan) where Hitler's > televised speech at the 1936 Olympics is detected by aliens. > > > > > > > According to Wiki, the USA, UK, Germany and the Soviet Union all had > > operational television broadcasting by 1939. Of course the amount of > > broadcasting was very limited, as was the number of viewers (all in > > major cities). Then everything was put on hold on account of the war. > > Of people who could remember pre-WWII life, only a tiny number would > > actually have seen television, and many might not even have been aware > > of its existence. > > > Ross Clark
From: jmfbahciv on 29 Dec 2009 08:38
Andrew Usher wrote: > Peter T. Daniels wrote: > >>> The third explanation is that English is more versatile. IOW, >>> people can make up new words easily. I did this as part of >>> my job. >> I take it you don't know Arabic? > > Her 'explanation', if true, is just a variant of my first i.e. the > classicists that control Latin insist on purity over accepting new > words like any living language must. > And don't forget that those who do the work also get to give it a name. After WWII, the science and technology biz was done in the USA. Other European countries were recovering from the war. JMF had to take German when getting his physics degrees because a lot of papers were written in German. I don't when that requirement was dropped. However, as more and more papers were written in English by Americans during the 50s and 60s, the default language used became English. As the commercial airline biz spread from the US to the rest of the world, the default language used became English. /BAH |