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From: James Jolley on 20 Mar 2010 17:41 On 2010-03-20 21:34:36 +0000, jim(a)magrathea.plus.com (Jim) said: > James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: > >>> Don't worry, it's Conor, it's what he does. >> >> Oh frigging hell. This another one I should have avoided. Concerned >> that coming back again may have caused more trouble again. I believe in >> being upfront about OS differences, but nobody can deny the viability >> of OS X for the blind these days, especially as the installation is >> selfvoiceing. > > Ach, don't worry about it. Good to have you back. > > Jim I said i'd give it a go again and we've had a thread that's been relevant to what i'm into.
From: Conor on 20 Mar 2010 18:17 On 20/03/2010 21:19, James Jolley wrote: >> Mac OSX ~ most desktop Linux distros. It does nothing better other >> than power management. > > I'm not really sure this is fair. Apple products and OS x's integration > with them has given me more independence than I could have possibly > imagined. The iPhone has changed how I manage my addresses, the > VoiceOver screen reader has changed how I view the usability of > applications. OS X is a godsend to me personally. > I'm not arguing about the integration - its the same as Microsoft do with their products - Windows, XBox Media Center, Windows Mobile devices.. I'm just saying that you are in effect paying a fair amount of money for something that's basically the same as a Linux distro but doesn't have anything above one to make it worth the price. Certainly, OS X includes a LOT of Open Source projects such as SAMBA and CUPS for a start. > I'm surprised at this. Many developers love working with OS x and > there's got to be a reason for this. > The hardware is controlled. It is far easier to develop software when you know what hardware is going to be using it. >> Go to PC World and pick both up and handle them. One feels cheap, >> plasticy and tacky, the other solid and well put together. You can't >> feel it flex when you pick it up holding it at one side with the >> screen open.. > > I've seen the newer macs, my dad's got one. Indeed, i'd love to have > them for there multi-touch trackpad as VO has nice parady with the > iPhone when used with this. Really, it's down to what you want from your > machine. For me, it's Safari, Audio editing, RSS, Mail, media management > with iTunes, and anything else is an extra. > I think you missed the point I was making. The Macbook is really a disservice to Apple compared to the aluminium unibody Pro. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on 20 Mar 2010 18:18 On 20/03/2010 20:18, Jim wrote: > Conor<conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > >>> Why should they have to? Most people use a computer to _get things >>> done_, not twiddle endlessly with conf files and larn x86 assembler. >>> >> >> Because in order to use pretty much everything with electric running >> through it, its a good idea to RTFM. > > If it needs a FM then it's badly designed. > > And you dodged the question - people don't want to have to learn about > the ugly internals of a computer simply to write a letter to the > milkman, in much the same way that I neither know nor care how an > internal combustion engine works yet I still drive 80 miles most days. They don't need to learn the hardware but they do need to learn the software. You may not know how the combustion engine works but you were taught how to operate the car and basic maintenance is even a requirement of the driving test now. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on 20 Mar 2010 18:21 On 20/03/2010 21:38, James Jolley wrote: > Assuming that the "M" bit is in an accessible format. When I opened up > the macbook I bought, I turned it on, got a message about "Mac OS X > includes VoiceOVer....", was asked to hit a key if I didn't know how to > use VO and learnt that way. Nothing like instant gratification. Try that > with Squorca. > Addressing your issues about Orca being too chatty, I found the initial setup so patronising that I just pressed skip for most of it. It actually annoyed me to the point of skipping stuff I should've read. Oh, and Jim, if you say that if something needs you to read the manual then its badly designed, perhaps OS X is as I had to go RTFM to work out keyboard shortcuts... -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: SteveH on 20 Mar 2010 18:23
Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > > I'm not really sure this is fair. Apple products and OS x's integration > > with them has given me more independence than I could have possibly > > imagined. The iPhone has changed how I manage my addresses, the > > VoiceOver screen reader has changed how I view the usability of > > applications. OS X is a godsend to me personally. > > > > I'm not arguing about the integration - its the same as Microsoft do > with their products - Windows, XBox Media Center, Windows Mobile devices.. > > I'm just saying that you are in effect paying a fair amount of money for > something that's basically the same as a Linux distro but doesn't have > anything above one to make it worth the price. Certainly, OS X includes > a LOT of Open Source projects such as SAMBA and CUPS for a start. Rubbish. Utter trash. OSX may contain some open source elements, but it's an order of magnitude more usable, especially by non-geeks, than any version of Linux I've had the displeasure of trying. > > I'm surprised at this. Many developers love working with OS x and > > there's got to be a reason for this. > > > > The hardware is controlled. It is far easier to develop software when > you know what hardware is going to be using it. Yes, your point is? > >> Go to PC World and pick both up and handle them. One feels cheap, > >> plasticy and tacky, the other solid and well put together. You can't > >> feel it flex when you pick it up holding it at one side with the > >> screen open.. > > > > I've seen the newer macs, my dad's got one. Indeed, i'd love to have > > them for there multi-touch trackpad as VO has nice parady with the > > iPhone when used with this. Really, it's down to what you want from your > > machine. For me, it's Safari, Audio editing, RSS, Mail, media management > > with iTunes, and anything else is an extra. > > > I think you missed the point I was making. The Macbook is really a > disservice to Apple compared to the aluminium unibody Pro. Maybe, but the MacBook comes in at over �100 less than the Pro. -- SteveH |