Mass-Energy Equivalence [Math]

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From: mpc755 on 27 Apr 2010 17:50

On Apr 27, 3:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> How does aether displacement effect the energy of light?
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Light propagates with respect to the aether.

From: BURT on 27 Apr 2010 17:55

On Apr 27, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 3:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How does aether displacement effect the energy of light?
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Light propagates with respect to the aether.

By what energy?

From: mpc755 on 27 Apr 2010 17:58

On Apr 27, 5:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 27, 3:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > How does aether displacement effect the energy of light?
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Light propagates with respect to the aether.
>
> By what energy?

Light propagates as a displacement wave in the aether. The
displacement of the aether is the energy associated with the light
wave.

From: spudnik on 27 Apr 2010 19:37

you still have not given us any "electromagnetic property"
of aether; it's just some sort of "emmission theoretical dis-
placement," with no math attached, and no theory.

are you still thinking of light as "photons
with a guidewave" -- like that little cartoon, you found?

maybe you just have a difficulty with English,
that is not as pronounced as herr doktor-
professor Nein EinStein's. for that
there is only one (known) cure.

> Light propagates as a displacement wave in the aether. The
> displacement of the aether is the energy associated with the light
> wave.

thus:
OMG, some dood hates Lyn!... well,
find the article about actual sea-level data
from tidal stations, yourself, mister Nice-guy.
http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/fall01/Tanawa/tanawa.html
What Is a Torquetum?
The torquetum, an analogue computer, can tell us, without long and
tedious calculation, at any time of the night when planets or the Moon
are visible, what their angular distance is from the Sun, or from the
first point of Aries, and/or from some bright star in their vicinity.
It can also tell us how much they are above or below the ecliptic.

This would give us a fairly quick way to construct an almanac, with
enough data to predict at least lunar eclipses, as well as
occultations of bright stars or planets by the Moonthe which dramatic
events ought to confirm the longitude readings obtained by using the
torquetum to measure lunar distance.
Rick Sanders

> 148940000 km^2 Earth land area
> 510072000 km^2 Earth sea area
> 14000000 km^2 Antarctica area
> 1.6 km Ice height

thus:
I dug into your wikilink, Sue;
the upshot is that there is only practiceably "patial vacuum,"
with all kinds of waffling about "free space;"
particularly laudable is:
Scientists working in optical communications tend to use free space to
refer to a medium with an unobstructed line of sight (often air,
sometimes space). See Free-space optical communication and the What is
Free Space Optical Communications?.

The United States Patent Office defines free space in a number of
ways. For radio and radar applications the definition is "space where
the movement of energy in any direction is substantially unimpeded,
such as the atmosphere, the ocean, or the earth" (Glossary in US
Patent Class 342, Class Notes).[40]

Another US Patent Office interpretation is Subclass 310: Communication
over free space, where the definition is "a medium which is not a wire
or a waveguide".[41]

thus:
now, not only can we easily aver that "that Shakespeare
wrote that Shakespeare," but we can also wonder
about his death at fifty-three, after dining
with a manslaughterer, Ben Johnson. anyway, if
you really want to get into WS's politics,
find the cover-article *Campaigner* magazine,
"Why the British hate Shakespeare" -- if you can do so,
at http://www.wlym.com/drupal/campaigners.

thus:
the whole *problem* is the diagramming,
which is just a 2D phase-space, and cartooned
into a "2+1" phase-space with "pants," sketched
on paper. you simply do not need the pants,
the lightcones they're made with, and
the paradoxes of "looping in time" because
of a silly diagram, wherein "time becomes comensurate
with space" saith-Minkowski-then-he-died.

as for capNtrade, if Waxman's bill passes,
you won't be able to do *any* physics,
that isn't "junkyard physics."

thus:
you are assuming that "gravitons" "go faster"
than "photons," which is three things that have
never been seen. Young proved that all properties
of light is wave-ish, save for the yet-to-fbe-ound photo-
electrical effect, the instrumental artifact that save Newton's balls
o'light for British academe. well, even if
any large thing could be accelerated to so close
to teh speed of light-propagation (which used to be known
as "retarded," since being found not instantaneous) is "space"
-- which is no-where "a" vacuum --
it'd create a shockwave of any light that it was emmitting,
per Gauss's hydrodynamic shockwaves (and, after all,
this is all in the field of "magnetohydrodynamics,"
not "vacuum energy dynamics").

thus:
what ever it says, Shapiro's last book is just a polemic;
his real "proof" is _1599_;
the fans of de Vere are hopelessly stuck-up --
especially if they went to Harry Potter PS#1.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://entertainment.timesonline.co.....

--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com

From: mpc755 on 28 Apr 2010 07:49

On Apr 27, 7:37 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> you still have not given us any "electromagnetic property"
> of aether; it's just some sort of "emmission theoretical dis-
> placement," with no math attached, and no theory.
>

http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/

Quote from Albert A Michelson's lecture circa 1899.

"Suppose that an aether strain corresponds to an electric charge, an
aether displacement to the electric current, aether vortices to the
atoms; if we continue these suppositions, we arrive at what may be one
of the grandest generalizations of modern science, namely that all the
phenomena of the physical universe are only different manifestations
of the various modes of motion of one all-pervading (substance), the
aether. The day seems not to distant when the converging lines from
many apparently remote regions of thought will meet on some common
ground. Then the nature of the atom and the forces called into play in
their chemical union, the interactions between these atoms and the
non-differentiated aether as manifested in the phenomena of light and
electricity , the structure of the molecule, the explanation of
cohesion, elasticity and gravitation, all of these will be marshaled
into a single compact and consistent body of scientific knowledge."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_current

"In electromagnetism, displacement current is a quantity that is
defined in terms of the rate of change of electric displacement field.
Displacement current has the units of electric current density, and it
has an associated magnetic field just as actual currents do. However
it is not an electric current of moving charges, but a time-varying
electric field. In materials, there is also a contribution from the
slight motion of charges bound in atoms, dielectric polarization.

The idea was conceived by Maxwell in his 1861 paper On Physical Lines
of Force in connection with the displacement of electric particles in
a dielectric medium. Maxwell added displacement current to the
electric current term in Ampère's Circuital Law. In his 1865 paper A
Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field Maxwell used this
amended version of Ampère's Circuital Law to derive the
electromagnetic wave equation. This derivation is now generally
accepted as an historical landmark in physics by virtue of uniting
electricity, magnetism and optics into one single unified theory. The
displacement current term is now seen as a crucial addition that
completed Maxwell's equations and is necessary to explain many
phenomena, most particularly the existence of electromagnetic waves."

Michelson's concept of "aether displacement to the electric current"
is analogous to Maxwell's 'displacement current'.

'Aether and matter; a development of the dynamical relations of the
aether to material systems on the basis of the atomic constitution of
matter including a discussion of the influence of the earth's motion
on optical phenomena, being an Adams prize essay in the University of
Cambridge (1900)'
http://www.archive.org/details/aethermatterdeve00larmuoft

"The new departure instated by Maxwell came, when expressed
mathematically, to a statement that dynamically all electric
discharges are effectively of the nature and possess the properties of
systems of losed currents, being completed when necessary by so-called
isplacement-currents in free space and in dielectric media ; in fact
that the consideration of the electrodynamics of unclosed circuits
never arises."

"The theory, at the stage at which it was left by Maxwell, being a
theory of complete electric circuits, the total current was a
continuous streaming flow ; there proved to be no necessity, in the
case of systems at rest, for keeping distinct the current of
conduction, the current arising from changing electric polarization in
a dielectric substance, and the displacement current belonging to free
aether apart from matter altogether: the only hypothesis he required
was that there is an aethereal current of such amount as to complete
into a single circuital stream all the types of true electric flux
which are associated with matter. These distinctions however become
essential as soon as the theory is to take cognizance of the motion of
the matter, especially in the domain of radiation where a mere
equilibrium theory, contemplating the convection unaltered of its
electric field along with the matter, is not a valid approximation.
Then convection, relative to the aether, of electric charge and of
dielectric polarization, contributes to the total current, as well as
the change of aethereal elastic displacement and of material
polarization. The problem thus presents itself in the form of two
media, the aether and the matter, each with its own motion, but both
occupying the same space ; and some idea has to be formed of the
interconnexions by which they influence each other."

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity
by
Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places".

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement.