More than 90 percent of objects found in the vast outer-solar system reservoir may have been born around other stars
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From: palsing on 18 Jun 2010 01:12 On Jun 17, 9:57 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Now I get it. Naw, I doubt it
From: Greg Neill on 18 Jun 2010 08:14 Brad Guth wrote: > > Your purely subjective sources for those numbers and lack of any > computer simulation is noted. Unlike you, I've supplied the calculations to back up my conclusions. Where's yours? The motion figures (radial, proper motion) figures for Sirius are readily available. I note that you didn't object to the values as stated. > > Obfuscating and/or denial as to the elliptical trajectory that we're > on is also noted. I've shown conclusively, using simple Newtonian physics, that Sirius and Sol are not gravitationally bound and so cannot have a mutual elliptical orbit. Indeed, their trajectories must be hyperbolic (ignoring the tiny perturbations by other nearby systems). Perhaps you consider any level of mathematics and physics to be obfuscation if you cannot understand or handle them. > > So, according to you and other Semites, gravity works only on stuff > that's within the radii of our Oort cloud, and our passive solar > system isn't going anywhere except farther away from Sirius. You're > suggesting that anything more than one light year and of whatever > gravity doesn't matter regardless of the original masses involved. Your conclusions do not follow from your premises. Instead, they would appear to be drawn directly from your nether orifice. > > Now I get it. Politically and Semite correct physics is all that > matters. Better cover up, your obsessions are showing. And they're not pretty.
From: Brad Guth on 18 Jun 2010 11:47 On Jun 18, 5:14 am, "Greg Neill" <gneil...(a)MOVEsympatico.ca> wrote: > Brad Guth wrote: > > > Your purely subjective sources for those numbers and lack of any > > computer simulation is noted. > > Unlike you, I've supplied the calculations to back up > my conclusions. Where's yours? The motion figures > (radial, proper motion) figures for Sirius are readily > available. I note that you didn't object to the values > as stated. > > > > > Obfuscating and/or denial as to the elliptical trajectory that we're > > on is also noted. > > I've shown conclusively, using simple Newtonian physics, > that Sirius and Sol are not gravitationally bound and so > cannot have a mutual elliptical orbit. Indeed, their > trajectories must be hyperbolic (ignoring the tiny > perturbations by other nearby systems). > > Perhaps you consider any level of mathematics and physics > to be obfuscation if you cannot understand or handle > them. > > > > > So, according to you and other Semites, gravity works only on stuff > > that's within the radii of our Oort cloud, and our passive solar > > system isn't going anywhere except farther away from Sirius. You're > > suggesting that anything more than one light year and of whatever > > gravity doesn't matter regardless of the original masses involved. > > Your conclusions do not follow from your premises. > Instead, they would appear to be drawn directly from > your nether orifice. > > > > > Now I get it. Politically and Semite correct physics is all that > > matters. > > Better cover up, your obsessions are showing. And > they're not pretty. Your Semitic based belief that our solar system is rogue and unassociated with anything around us is noted. Meanwhile you can't even suggest where potentially lethal stuff is coming from that's nailing Jupiter, Saturn and other planets, including us. What's your excuse for there being galaxies, much less those galaxies interacting with one another? ~ BG
From: palsing on 18 Jun 2010 12:18 On Jun 18, 8:47 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Your Semitic based belief that our solar system is rogue and > unassociated with anything around us is noted. Meanwhile you can't > even suggest where potentially lethal stuff is coming from that's > nailing Jupiter, Saturn and other planets, including us. > ~ BG Your entire response is just one large non-sequitur. Semitic based belief? There is probably no doubt that our sun was born in a cluster along with a lot of other stars, but it is apparent that the original cluster has long since evaporated, just like tens of thousands of other clusters have evaporated, scattering their members in all possible directions. Many scientists have searched for other members of our former cluster, but only a few have been tentatively identified, Alpha Centauri and Barnard's star among them. To call our sun and solar system 'rogue' implies that it is unusual in some sense, but this is not the case, the sun is as average as can be. Well, that is not entirely true, it seems as though most stars exist in multiple systems of (2) or more stars, so in that respect we are in a slight minority. This is a good thing, it has led us to where we are now, without the possibility of interference from a partner star. The potentially lethal stuff that has been nailing Jupiter, Saturn and even us is undoubtedly local, and by local I mean within the gravitational influence of the sun, and there is a lot of research continuing in this field. Even a casual look at the surface of any body in the solar system (except for the gas giants, of course) tells us that no one is safe from bombardment over the long term, and there is no place in the solar system that remains untouched. Fortunately, the era of heavy bombardment is long over, and any future hits are considered to be 'sporadic'. > What's your excuse for there being galaxies, much less those galaxies > interacting with one another? Silly question that has nothing to do with much of anything discussed here. \Paul A
From: Brad Guth on 18 Jun 2010 14:06
On Jun 18, 9:18 am, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 8:47 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Your Semitic based belief that our solar system is rogue and > > unassociated with anything around us is noted. Meanwhile you can't > > even suggest where potentially lethal stuff is coming from that's > > nailing Jupiter, Saturn and other planets, including us. > > ~ BG > > Your entire response is just one large non-sequitur. Semitic based > belief? > > There is probably no doubt that our sun was born in a cluster along > with a lot of other stars, but it is apparent that the original > cluster has long since evaporated, just like tens of thousands of > other clusters have evaporated, scattering their members in all > possible directions. Many scientists have searched for other members > of our former cluster, but only a few have been tentatively > identified, Alpha Centauri and Barnard's star among them. > > To call our sun and solar system 'rogue' implies that it is unusual in > some sense, but this is not the case, the sun is as average as can be. > Well, that is not entirely true, it seems as though most stars exist > in multiple systems of (2) or more stars, so in that respect we are in > a slight minority. This is a good thing, it has led us to where we are > now, without the possibility of interference from a partner star. > > The potentially lethal stuff that has been nailing Jupiter, Saturn and > even us is undoubtedly local, and by local I mean within the > gravitational influence of the sun, and there is a lot of research > continuing in this field. Even a casual look at the surface of any > body in the solar system (except for the gas giants, of course) tells > us that no one is safe from bombardment over the long term, and there > is no place in the solar system that remains untouched. Fortunately, > the era of heavy bombardment is long over, and any future hits are > considered to be 'sporadic'. > > > What's your excuse for there being galaxies, much less those galaxies > > interacting with one another? > > Silly question that has nothing to do with much of anything discussed > here. > > \Paul A You haven't been specific as to naming anything significant that's responsible for the 90% influx of stuff that's unexpectedly showing up. Is our own Oort cloud falling back in on us? Did not any of those Sirius stars have an Oort cloud of their own? Where's the nova debris from Sirius(B)? ~ BG |