More than 90 percent of objects found in the vast outer-solar system reservoir may have been born around other stars
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From: Brad Guth on 18 Jun 2010 15:20 On Jun 17, 10:12 pm, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 17, 9:57 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Now I get it. > > Naw, I doubt it Are you suggesting that our sun is the only star having an Oort cloud? Are you suggesting that a helium flashover loses none of its original tidal radii binding force of holding onto stuff? ~ BG
From: palsing on 18 Jun 2010 16:01 On Jun 18, 11:06 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You haven't been specific as to naming anything significant that's > responsible for the 90% influx of stuff that's unexpectedly showing > up. > > Is our own Oort cloud falling back in on us? > > Did not any of those Sirius stars have an Oort cloud of their own? > > Where's the nova debris from Sirius(B)? > > ~ BG What makes you think that stuff is 'unexpectedly' showing up? Just looking at the surface of other planets and the moons of Jupiter and Saturn tells us that stuff has been slamming into everything in the solar system for a very long time, and there is no reason to think that it won't continue to do so, although at a lesser rate than in the early days of the solar system's formation. Certainly the Oort Cloud should be considered to be a source of this stuff, maybe a minor contributor and maybe a major contributor, as is the much closer Kuiper Belt. I really have no idea as to which contributes more, but what's the difference? Read this... http://nineplanets.org/kboc.html .... it is pretty interesting and seems to be based on solid science. As far as I can determine, there is no reason at all to think that much stuff (if any at all) comes into our solar system from beyond the Oort Cloud. If someone wants to suggest that it may, well, show me the research, I'm not too old to learn something new. Knowing what we know about our Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt, I would be very surprised if other stars DIDN'T have similar and comparable outer systems of their own. After all, I don't think it is presumptuous to expect that all stars formed is basically the exact same way. Do you? As far as the nova debris from Sirius B... what nova debris? For that matter, what nova? Sirius B is now a white dwarf, and a white dwarf is the final evolutionary state of all stars whose mass is not high enough to supernova. They swell to a red giant phase, probably form a planetary nebula,a phase which only lasts about 20,000 years, and then settle down to the white dwarf stage, where they continually cool down for the rest of their lives. Read these... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf http://kencroswell.com/LifeAndTimesOfSiriusB.html .... and learn some real science today. In any case, the 'debris' in planetary nebulae only amounts to an incredibly thin gas, even though it represents perhaps 80% of the mass of the original star. After all, it is just the star's outer atmosphere that had attained escape velocity when the star was rapidly expanded during its red giant phase. There are many, many web pages that can educate you about stellar evolution, it is a well-documented process, ultimately very complicated in the details but fairly straight-forward in concept. \Paul A
From: palsing on 18 Jun 2010 16:12 On Jun 18, 12:30 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Only >100e6 more influence than certain elliptical flying Oort items > got to work with. What does this unintelligible shorthand supposed to mean? Please translate into something readable... > btw; 60,000 years from now there shouldn't be a km3 of glacial ice, > any barrel or m3 of natural hydrocarbons, and humanity will have been > extinct for more then 50,000 years. So what's the difference? I give up, what's the difference? > You crazy Semites don't really seem to care about the future, other > than improving your own quality of living large at the ongoing demise > of others, and to hell with the environment. What does ethnicity have to do with any of this? Do you have any other phobias? \Paul A
From: Brad Guth on 18 Jun 2010 23:35 On Jun 18, 1:12 pm, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 12:30 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Only >100e6 more influence than certain elliptical flying Oort items > > got to work with. > > What does this unintelligible shorthand supposed to mean? Please > translate into something readable... > > > btw; 60,000 years from now there shouldn't be a km3 of glacial ice, > > any barrel or m3 of natural hydrocarbons, and humanity will have been > > extinct for more then 50,000 years. So what's the difference? > > I give up, what's the difference? > > > You crazy Semites don't really seem to care about the future, other > > than improving your own quality of living large at the ongoing demise > > of others, and to hell with the environment. > > What does ethnicity have to do with any of this? Do you have any other > phobias? > > \Paul A So go right ahead and tell us where the other 90+% of nasty stuff is coming from. I offered by interpretation which you've rejected, so now it's your turn. ~ BG ~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 18 Jun 2010 23:57
On Jun 18, 1:01 pm, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 11:06 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > You haven't been specific as to naming anything significant that's > > responsible for the 90% influx of stuff that's unexpectedly showing > > up. > > > Is our own Oort cloud falling back in on us? > > > Did not any of those Sirius stars have an Oort cloud of their own? > > > Where's the nova debris from Sirius(B)? > > > ~ BG > > What makes you think that stuff is 'unexpectedly' showing up? Just > looking at the surface of other planets and the moons of Jupiter and > Saturn tells us that stuff has been slamming into everything in the > solar system for a very long time, and there is no reason to think > that it won't continue to do so, although at a lesser rate than in the > early days of the solar system's formation. > > Certainly the Oort Cloud should be considered to be a source of this > stuff, maybe a minor contributor and maybe a major contributor, as is > the much closer Kuiper Belt. I really have no idea as to which > contributes more, but what's the difference? Read this... > > http://nineplanets.org/kboc.html > > ... it is pretty interesting and seems to be based on solid science. > As far as I can determine, there is no reason at all to think that > much stuff (if any at all) comes into our solar system from beyond the > Oort Cloud. If someone wants to suggest that it may, well, show me the > research, I'm not too old to learn something new. > > Knowing what we know about our Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt, I would > be very surprised if other stars DIDN'T have similar and comparable > outer systems of their own. After all, I don't think it is > presumptuous to expect that all stars formed is basically the exact > same way. Do you? > > As far as the nova debris from Sirius B... what nova debris? For that > matter, what nova? Sirius B is now a white dwarf, and a white dwarf is > the final evolutionary state of all stars whose mass is not high > enough to supernova. They swell to a red giant phase, probably form a > planetary nebula,a phase which only lasts about 20,000 years, and then > settle down to the white dwarf stage, where they continually cool down > for the rest of their lives. Read these... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf > > http://kencroswell.com/LifeAndTimesOfSiriusB.html > > ... and learn some real science today. > > In any case, the 'debris' in planetary nebulae only amounts to an > incredibly thin gas, even though it represents perhaps 80% of the mass > of the original star. After all, it is just the star's outer > atmosphere that had attained escape velocity when the star was rapidly > expanded during its red giant phase. There are many, many web pages > that can educate you about stellar evolution, it is a well-documented > process, ultimately very complicated in the details but fairly > straight-forward in concept. > > \Paul A The Semitic approved mainstream that you represent wants the rest of us to believe everything about our solar system is unique if not one of a kind, as well as having been flashed into existence from one stellar ignition sequence that became our sun and all of its planets, moons, Kuiper Belt and Oort cloud that's impervious to external tidal forces or encounters. In other words, perfectly uniform and orderly. So tell us why is it not uniform and orderly? ~ BG |