More than 90 percent of objects found in the vast outer-solar system reservoir may have been born around other stars
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From: Brad Guth on 15 Jun 2010 01:41 On Jun 13, 7:56 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/13/10 9:47 PM, Brad Guth wrote: > > > > > On Jun 13, 6:10 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 6/13/10 7:49 PM, Brad Guth wrote: > > >>> On Jun 13, 4:12 pm, palsing<pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jun 13, 12:37 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> You do realize Im working with the tidal radii grip that Sirius has > >>>>> on our solar system, and not the other way around... > > >>>> This statement alone shows that you do not really understand the > >>>> science. The escape velocity formula cited by Gregg do not imply a > >>>> 'direction' ... > > >>>> \Paul A > > >>> Perhaps that's his problem. > > >>> You simply can't place something as massive as the original Sirius > >>> star/solar system nearby anything else, without that situation causing > >>> Newtonian interactions. > > >>> Ever heard of a barycenter? > > >>> Do you think such a barycenter wasn't created? > > >>> ~ BG > > >> F = m1 m2 G / r^2 > > >> Calculate the force between the Sirius system and the solar system > >> and let us know what the answer is. > > >> r = 2.64 ± 0.01 pc > >> m1 = 1.9891 × 10^30 kg > >> m2 = 5.9628 × 10^30 kg > > > http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm > > http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html > > > What's next? > > > ~ BG > > Calculate the force on the sun from the earth and the Sirius > system and compare. I've already done that, though obviously you haven't. ~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 15 Jun 2010 01:46 On Jun 13, 8:27 pm, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 13, 8:19 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The molecular cloud that created those impressive Sirius stars may > > have been worth <12.5e6 Ms (more if you'd care to include Sirius C). > > Are you suggesting that kind of molecular mass is also > > inconsequential? > > Since it was so far away at that time, yes, essentially > inconsequential. Kinda like your theories... > > \Paul A Even 500 ly isn't far enough away. But then you don't really know where Sirius emerged. It could have been closer than 5 ly, or possibly as far as 100 ly. ~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 15 Jun 2010 01:48 On Jun 13, 7:43 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/13/10 8:10 PM, Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > > On 6/13/10 7:49 PM, Brad Guth wrote: > >> On Jun 13, 4:12 pm, palsing<pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Jun 13, 12:37 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> You do realize Im working with the tidal radii grip that Sirius has > >>>> on our solar system, and not the other way around... > > >>> This statement alone shows that you do not really understand the > >>> science. The escape velocity formula cited by Gregg do not imply a > >>> 'direction' ... > > >>> \Paul A > > >> Perhaps that's his problem. > > >> You simply can't place something as massive as the original Sirius > >> star/solar system nearby anything else, without that situation causing > >> Newtonian interactions. > > >> Ever heard of a barycenter? > > >> Do you think such a barycenter wasn't created? > > >> ~ BG > > > F = m1 m2 G / r^2 > > > Calculate the force between the Sirius system and the solar system > > and let us know what the answer is. > > > r = 2.64 ± 0.01 pc > > m1 = 1.9891 × 10^30 kg > > m2 = 5.9628 × 10^30 kg > > In case your interested, the force on our sun from the > earth is five orders of magnitude greater than from the > Sirius system. And everything in space is moving away from us???????? (I don't think so) ~ BG
From: Greg Neill on 15 Jun 2010 07:10 Brad Guth wrote: > On Jun 13, 8:05 pm, "Greg Neill" <gneil...(a)MOVEsympatico.ca> wrote: >> Brad Guth wrote: >>> On Jun 13, 6:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> F = m1 m2 G / r^2 >> >>>> Calculate the force between the Sirius system and the solar system >>>> and let us know what the answer is. >> >>>> r = 2.64 � 0.01 pc >>>> m1 = 1.9891 � 10^30 kg >>>> m2 = 5.9628 � 10^30 kg >> >>> http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm >>> http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/calculators/gravity-calculator.html >> >>> What's next? >> >> You haven't answered yet. Give us your numeric >> result. > > You're wasting time. Just put everything into a public funded > supercomputer and let it run. > > Tell us where that 90% stuff is coming from. So, you can't do simple calculations. Got it.
From: Greg Neill on 15 Jun 2010 07:16
Brad Guth wrote: > On Jun 13, 8:27 pm, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jun 13, 8:19 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The molecular cloud that created those impressive Sirius stars may >>> have been worth <12.5e6 Ms (more if you'd care to include Sirius C). >>> Are you suggesting that kind of molecular mass is also >>> inconsequential? >> >> Since it was so far away at that time, yes, essentially >> inconsequential. Kinda like your theories... >> >> \Paul A > > Even 500 ly isn't far enough away. But then you don't really know > where Sirius emerged. It could have been closer than 5 ly, or > possibly as far as 100 ly. The sirius system's speed with respect to the solar system is about 18 km/sec. The Sirius system is between 200 and 300 million years old. Work out the distance. Hint: it's *much* larger than your guess. |