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From: krw on 4 Aug 2006 22:34 In article <4ji9v1F7s6hgU1(a)individual.net>, dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com says... > Jim Yanik wrote: > > John Woodgate <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote in > > news:pWKspSaCaz0EFw+x(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk: > > > >> In message <44D32FCF.21FB5C99(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Fri, 4 Aug > >> 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes > >> > >>> Just seen on Channel 4 news. A poll indicates that a mere 16% of the UK > >>> population backs His Blairness's pro-Israel stance. > >> That doesn't mean that he is wrong. I expect 84% of people believe > >> something that you KNOW is wrong. > > > > what people believe is dependent on what they get from the media,and that > > is more often biased and inaccurate. > > > > The stuff about the anti pro-Israel stance only demonstrates anti- > > Semitism,still prevalent(GROWING?) in Europe. > > You read about that in the US press, I assume... ....and right in this group. > > They overlook what the Islamics plan for Western society,ALL of it. > > I note the Islamics are still bombing (or attempting to bomb)European > > countries that have backed out of support for the Western side. > > I note that the US is keen to get 60 million Muslims into the EU, > against the wishes of the vast majority of its people. The US has a vote in the EU? You *are* on drugs. Wanna share? Rich needs more. -- Keith
From: krw on 4 Aug 2006 22:38 In article <44D3C6A1.50663F3D(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com says... > > > John Woodgate wrote: > > > In message <44D3A7A2.8AFB84D3(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Fri, 4 Aug > > 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes > > > > >John Woodgate wrote: > > > > > >> In message <44D390B7.75A4B9D1(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Fri, 4 Aug > > >> 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes > > >> > > >> >The UN plan didn't give Israel all the territory. > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947. > > >> >png > > >> > > >> That was never going to work, was it. Three bits, two joined by a narrow > > >> corridor and the third completely separate. And huge long borders with, > > >> at least, unfriendly people, if not actively hostile. > > >> > > >> A real 'horse designed by a committee'. > > > > > >Presumably done by taking into account the local population distribution. Seems > > >you can't win. It was a British plan btw ! > > > > This is VERY relevant to the present situation. The UN 'solution' was > > clearly unworkable. So have been the long succession of 'solutions' > > since then. What C Rice said is completely correct - that yet another > > unworkable 'solution' is unacceptable. > > Can't disagree with that. No point in something that'll fall apart at the first > opportunity. > > > > An 'immediate cease-fire' is just a sound bite; everyone with even a > > glimmer of intelligence knows that it would just give Hisbollah the > > opportunity to re-group and re-supply. > > A cease fire is a necessary first step though. No it is not. Crushing Hesbollah (and Hamas) is the necessary first step. Of course that's not going to happen without taking Syria and Iran down too. > > The only long-term stable solution is a strong, democratic Lebanese > > government, with a loyal armed service strong enough to disarm and > > disband Hisbollah and deter Syria and Iran, who are Lebanon's real > > enemies. Israel won't attack Lebanon if not provoked. Why should it? It > > has nothing to gain by doing so. It doesn't attack Jordan or Egypt. > > I'm also totally for a strong Lebanese military who can properly control their own > territory. Lebanon simply historically never had one though. In the interim I'm sure > it'll have to be a UN mandated force that does that job. When are you signing up? Good luck, and I hope your insurance is paid. -- Keith
From: krw on 4 Aug 2006 22:42 In article <4jiai5F8141eU1(a)individual.net>, dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com says... > Jim Yanik wrote: > > John Woodgate <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote in > > news:j3m+hx4w460EFws4(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk: > > > >> In message <44D3A7A2.8AFB84D3(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Fri, 4 > >> Aug 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> > >> writes > >>> > >>> John Woodgate wrote: > >>> > >>>> In message <44D390B7.75A4B9D1(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Fri, 4 > >>>> Aug 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> > >>>> writes > >>>> > >>>>> The UN plan didn't give Israel all the territory. > >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1 > >>>>> 947. png > >>>> That was never going to work, was it. Three bits, two joined by a > >>>> narrow corridor and the third completely separate. And huge long > >>>> borders with, at least, unfriendly people, if not actively hostile. > >>>> > >>>> A real 'horse designed by a committee'. > >>> Presumably done by taking into account the local population > >>> distribution. Seems you can't win. It was a British plan btw ! > >>> > >> This is VERY relevant to the present situation. The UN 'solution' was > >> clearly unworkable. So have been the long succession of 'solutions' > >> since then. What C Rice said is completely correct - that yet another > >> unworkable 'solution' is unacceptable. > >> > >> An 'immediate cease-fire' is just a sound bite; everyone with even a > >> glimmer of intelligence knows that it would just give Hisbollah the > >> opportunity to re-group and re-supply. > > > > It's actually more than just that;a ceasefire gives Hezbllah a victory,they > > would have shown they attacked and stood up to mighty Israel,it would > > bolster their position with other Islamics,and it serves Iran very > > well,too.It may allow Hezbollah/Syria/Iran to retake control of ALL of > > Lebanon. > > As long as Hezbollah doesn't officially surrender it will not be defeated. If that's true, then Israel's only option is to nuke the entire country, salt it so nothing will live for a millennia, then go back to making chips. > It cannot be defeated any more than AQ can be - because all it requires > for its continued existence is some people calling themselves Hezbollah, > some explosives and one or two AKMs. Ah, so you believe we're all destined to pray to Mecca, or die. No, I prefer that *THEY* die, even if it take a ton of sun. > Those missiles will continue to fall on Israel until the latter does a > prisoner swap (as they have done before). I love seeing a mushroom cloud in the morning. -- Keith
From: krw on 4 Aug 2006 22:44 In article <44D3A716.54AA32FB(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com says... > > > John Fields wrote: > > > On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:58:14 +0100, Eeyore > > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >John Fields wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:07:18 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > > >> <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Interesting how hating Saddam made one a weak wimpy leftist back then, > > >> >and hating him now makes one a strong rightwing patriot. > > >> > > >> --- > > >> And what did hating the US make you back then, > > > > > >Probably considered vaguely irrational. > > > > > >> and what does it make you now? > > > > > >An increasingly popular opinion reflecting concern over the USA's inability to > > >get the picture. > > > > --- > > I asked what it makes _you_, not what popular opinion was, but no > > matter. Since you seem to identify with popular opinion, I suggest > > you're merely one of the sheep who is blindly caught up in a sheep > > stampede, LOL ;) > > I was hard pressed to find a good description. You see I don't *hate* the US nor > does anyone else I know. Kinda like the liberals; "I support the troops, but not the mission". What bullshit! > Exasperated about the USA would be more accurate. Why do you care? You can have all the tube bombs you want. -- Keith
From: krw on 4 Aug 2006 22:47
In article <9rl7d2heip7dppnrsc7obfku4of5jh50tq(a)4ax.com>, jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says... > On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:59:03 -0500, John Fields > <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: > > >On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:59:18 +0100, Eeyore > ><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>John Fields wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:58:14 +0100, Eeyore > >>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >John Fields wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:07:18 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > >>> >> <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> >Interesting how hating Saddam made one a weak wimpy leftist back then, > >>> >> >and hating him now makes one a strong rightwing patriot. > >>> >> > >>> >> --- > >>> >> And what did hating the US make you back then, > >>> > > >>> >Probably considered vaguely irrational. > >>> > > >>> >> and what does it make you now? > >>> > > >>> >An increasingly popular opinion reflecting concern over the USA's inability to > >>> >get the picture. > >>> > >>> --- > >>> I asked what it makes _you_, not what popular opinion was, but no > >>> matter. Since you seem to identify with popular opinion, I suggest > >>> you're merely one of the sheep who is blindly caught up in a sheep > >>> stampede, LOL ;) > >> > >>I was hard pressed to find a good description. You see I don't *hate* the US nor > >>does anyone else I know. > >> > >>Exasperated about the USA would be more accurate. > > > >--- > >Because we're conducting our affairs in ways of which you > >disapprove, and while we're happy to take that into consideration, > >in the long run we'll do what we want to. > > > >What I find incongruous is that so many of you all (Europeans, I > >guess.) would rather turn a blind eye toward the middle east and let > >Israel die than to help her. Why is that? > > > > What's a bigger mystery is why the European press gets so worked up > over scores of collateral casualties in Lebanon and is silent when > millions are dying in former European colonies in Africa. It's the > differential blame game (the US is killing Lebanese; the Africa thing > has nothing to do with us) with a factor of 1e5 or so. Hell, they get worked up about Israel bombing rocket launchers in residential areas when those same rockets are landing in Israel's residential areas. Screw the Europeons. Let 'em drown in radical Muslims. -- Keith |